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post #21 of 38
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Originally Posted by fawnie View Post

Sinking and sagging. Wow isn't that something to look forward to. And what can you do about it?
This:
FlexEffect Facial Exercise and Massage! Or any facial exercise/massage program. It fights the sink and the sag.

Hi Everyone. Im new year. Anyway. I have a little medical background so regarding this question, i think facial saging along with wrinkles are all part of aging which we can never escape. It will come and we have to expect that. I think the best thing we can do about this is to practive good skin care regimen while still young to sort of delay the process.

As for surgery or not, I think it really depends on how much you need surgery. If you think you are in a desperate condition, maybe you should consider the treatment but you should consult our doctor first (I know women tend to exaggerate especially with their skin). You'll never know maybe you just need a minor treatment (like perhaps prescribing you some topical medications or the like)
post #22 of 38
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Originally Posted by faystie View Post

Hi Everyone. Im new year. Anyway. I have a little medical background so regarding this question, i think facial saging along with wrinkles are all part of aging which we can never escape. It will come and we have to expect that. I think the best thing we can do about this is to practive good skin care regimen while still young to sort of delay the process.

As for surgery or not, I think it really depends on how much you need surgery. If you think you are in a desperate condition, maybe you should consider the treatment but you should consult our doctor first (I know women tend to exaggerate especially with their skin). You'll never know maybe you just need a minor treatment (like perhaps prescribing you some topical medications or the like)

Hi!
Skin care can only take us so far! Then the muscles need to be toned underlying the skin and connective tissue. That's where either surgery or facial exercise/massage comes it. Which would you rather do, is the question each person has to ask her/himself!
post #23 of 38
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Originally Posted by fawnie View Post

Hi!
Skin care can only take us so far! Then the muscles need to be toned underlying the skin and connective tissue. That's where either surgery or facial exercise/massage comes it. Which would you rather do, is the question each person has to ask her/himself!

I vote for facial exercise/massage
post #24 of 38
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Originally Posted by periwinkle View Post

I vote for facial exercise/massage

Me too!
post #25 of 38
you will find this woman pretty brave, she did it all ! breasts, lips, nose, thermage, Perlane, microdermabasion, feather lift, etc name it, she did it!

About Me -Â* From Yes They're Fake!
post #26 of 38
BTW--lymph drainage massage can help to absorb fat deposits and redistribute fat to a more youthful normal contour. I know some of you swear by facial excercises but I also know when I was a child my mother used to do these and they have seemingly come in and out of fashion. Botox clearly shows some muscles should not be excercised to preserve youth but I cannot imagine, barring being botoxed in these areas, that any facial excercise will let you truly isolate the muscles you want toned and not cause any flexion of the muscles that will cause wrinkles. I have read a lot of contrasting views on facial excercises--negative then positive--it seems almost cyclic that the skin care "pundits" are always going in and out with facial excercises!
post #27 of 38
Thanks Lexi for posting. I agree!

Well, you know how I am about exercise/massage! And the massage part is every bit as important as the exercise part. It does stimulate lymphatic flow, as you point out as being very important to the health of the tissues.

If you look around at all the various facial exercise programs you will see that some authors have a different approach and their own facial "build" reflects that. Some are more defined, & muscular, which may or may not be due to their original facial structure.

You have the capability to customize the exercises to your own preference. Their are some exercises I don't do because I don't want to emphasize that area, and some I modify. I actually combine exercises from several different programs to achieve the "build" and roundness and fullness and tone that I prefer. You learn this by doing it for yourself. If you don't like the effect you simply stop doing it and your face will revert to its original structure. That is, saggy and baggy!
post #28 of 38
Fawnie--I would love to build my cheekbones in the front (like the "apples") as I have very laterally projecting cheekbones more like an Asian than a Caucasian but I am petrified any excercises will flex the muscles around the eyes that will in turn cause lines/crow's feet. How do you deal with this?
post #29 of 38
Hi Lexi! There are exercises to strengthen the muscles around the eyes to actually support the tissues. And massage techniques. And Retin-A! And vit C serum! And sunscreen. I can honestly say the exercises have not made the crowsfeet worse, and in fact they are fading away.

Here is a website to answer some FAQ's about it. This is one of the programs that I do.
Facial Exercise: Straight answers to frequently asked questions.

I think an Asian cheekbone structure is elegant, but if you want frontal cheekbuild, this is the program that will show you quick and good results:
Louise Annette - Hello, Welcome
Try some of the sample exercise on her site, or at least look at them.
LouLou actually looks a lot better than this site reflects!!
post #30 of 38
Thanks Fawnie. I do not mind the Asian cheekbones but they make my face look very "bland" from the front. I know most people (especially guys) consider my looks somewhat exotic but I do want to have the same apples I have when I smile really hard when I am simply relaxed as well. It is not that I want to downplay the lateral height just want some more definition in the front too.

BTW I think her face looks younger at 45 than it did at 38--I am well impressed!
post #31 of 38
Fawnie you got me somewhat interested. I was reading on Louise's site and she says some things that are really interesting which I agree with--namely that skin does NOT define how you look but rather underlying structures do. I always said that "so and so has good bone structure" and this is key to looks. I do disagree though when she says that skin preservation is not that important, I think we do know that wrinkles occur on the skin and it is probably a combination of all these factors that make us look young and old. I am very intrigued though!
post #32 of 38
Hi Lexi
If you go to the Ageless site and view the exercises you will see that she looks even better now than when she first made the before/after shots!

One caveat though, she does use HRT which must have some effect on the beautiful skin and fullness of her face. Don't know how you feel about that. Apparently it is S.O.P. in UK. But not in USA.

Edit: Yes I agree and I don't swallow everything from these authors whole. I listen and then form my own opinions as I'm sure you do too! Good point and it flies in the face of everything I know: skin preservation DOES matter.

The FlexEffect program that I do DOES emphasize skin preservation. In fact Deb the author recs RA, C serum, Copper peptides (if tolerated) and supplements like MSM and vit C orally. And sunscreen of course.
post #33 of 38
Fawnie I will check the other site out now. I know girls my age (30's) who illegally put themselves on HRT to try and mimic the hormonal levels they had at 20. It is dangerous as it can cause breast cancer or I would likely be one of them. I am a bit young yet for that but I would certainly consider it and have considered going to an endocrinologist who does bio-identical hormone therapy. I think it is very interesting but would only do it under strict supervision plus I still have not given up hope of having a baby so I do not want to do anything without an endocrinologist's advice. It is S.O.P in UK but I actually got the feeling it was more conservative in UK than it is in USA but perhaps not. It does have a very significant effect on skin and does create a more youthful skin appearance.
post #34 of 38
OMG Fawnie that is shocking! She has much better skin, she has hollowed out the midface and built up the upper face, she has more chin definition and projection and has created a much more youthful appearance. The only things I would question is that in the first photos when she was younger she had a much older hair style, glasses, was heavier and looked as if her face was relaxed whereas the second photo of her in 2007 looks like she has a bit of a tension to her face like she is flexing some of the facial muscles. It is no doubt she looks younger but how much and what it is down to is a bit hard to ascertain.
post #35 of 38
Bio-identical hormones are looking better and better to me.

Gymrat is getting involved in that with an endocrinologist in California and can tell you all about it. She reads Suzanne Somers' books about it.

Here is what Mayo Clinic has to say about it though. One doctor says it is no safer than HRT:Bioidentical hormones: Are they safer? - MayoClinic.com

I am still interested in it rather than the one size fits all approach!
post #36 of 38
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Originally Posted by Lexi2009 View Post

OMG Fawnie that is shocking! She has much better skin, she has hollowed out the midface and built up the upper face, she has more chin definition and projection and has created a much more youthful appearance. The only things I would question is that in the first photos when she was younger she had a much older hair style, glasses, was heavier and looked as if her face was relaxed whereas the second photo of her in 2007 looks like she has a bit of a tension to her face like she is flexing some of the facial muscles. It is no doubt she looks younger but how much and what it is down to is a bit hard to ascertain.


Yes sometimes photos are misleading.....there's an understatement. But the videos I have seen are undeniable. She looks damn good. She has had a nose job since and looks even better!
post #37 of 38
Fawnie I read that Mayo Clinic article! I am still like you and totally for it. I think that we have so many hormones, not just sex hormones, which decline with age that it is a very real thing to look at. I also am interested in HGH as well. Many Hollywood stars take it and I do think, despite the risks, it is yet another weapon in the arsenal against aging.

I am so glad I found this site! My friends tell me I am so ridiculously obsessed with staying young and that I look younger than my years to begin with and that I am crazy--it is so refreshing to be able to talk to like-minded individuals! I love you guys!
post #38 of 38
Oh yeah we're all obsessed over here. It's my hobby!

Makeup is really an artform anyway isn't it? Putting on the War Paint?
And skin care is self-actualization when you think of it. You CAN change your spots, unlike the leopard!

Thanks for joining Lexi - you add so much!
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