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post #41 of 91
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I'm proof that upper eyelid sagging can be greatly improved by facial (eye) exercises.  Thanks to Fawnie, I started doing the facial exercises about 9 months ago, you would not believe the difference, my eyelids have almost completed lifted.  Don't let anyone tell you differently, facial exercises work!!!


Which exercise program?  I need upper lids lifted!

 

post #42 of 91
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Which exercise program?  I need upper lids lifted!

Any of them have eye exercises! I do FlexEffect but yt has some Face Yoga ones for free. Cynthia Rowland is a good one too if you google her.


post #43 of 91

Thanks!

post #44 of 91

LOL kind of funny lady, but I will keep at it!

 

post #45 of 91

Can't do it: my eyebrows are coming together not down.  frown.gif Surely it cannot be a good idea to train already dominant muscles to be stronger? Maybe I should join the Botox posse ...
 

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Any of them have eye exercises! I do FlexEffect but yt has some Face Yoga ones for free. Cynthia Rowland is a good one too if you google her.

 

 

"In the year of our Lord 1903, in the meat packing plants off the shores of the sea, Stood a young man at his slaughter post a newby by his side, He said grind it up and ship it out doesn't matter what's inside, With poison bread to kill the rats, an effective tool of trade ..." Flatfoot 56
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"In the year of our Lord 1903, in the meat packing plants off the shores of the sea, Stood a young man at his slaughter post a newby by his side, He said grind it up and ship it out doesn't matter what's inside, With poison bread to kill the rats, an effective tool of trade ..." Flatfoot 56
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post #46 of 91

Mine do that too Firefox, but the exercise still seems to work. I was initially worried that it would make my 11's worse, but it did just the opposite :)

post #47 of 91
Are you holding your eyebrows apart?

There is another exercise that I like that goes like this:

Relax your face
Hold your middle fingers at the beginning of your eyebrows
Raise the outer part of the eyes and concentrate on bringing the ears up and back.
Hold for 20
Release and repeat 5 times.
Massage.

It gives lift to the outer corner of the eye, Really.
post #48 of 91

Thanks for your responses ladies! I was holding my eyebrows still but I can still feel a strong frown contraction in the muscles so I am still training them to dominate. Doing the second exercise I cannot raise the outer edge of my eyebrows as if I don't have any muscles there at all! jawsdown.gif I do have control over the little muscles above and behind the ears tho which I know some people really struggle with.

 

"In the year of our Lord 1903, in the meat packing plants off the shores of the sea, Stood a young man at his slaughter post a newby by his side, He said grind it up and ship it out doesn't matter what's inside, With poison bread to kill the rats, an effective tool of trade ..." Flatfoot 56
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"In the year of our Lord 1903, in the meat packing plants off the shores of the sea, Stood a young man at his slaughter post a newby by his side, He said grind it up and ship it out doesn't matter what's inside, With poison bread to kill the rats, an effective tool of trade ..." Flatfoot 56
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post #49 of 91
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Thanks for your responses ladies! I was holding my eyebrows still but I can still feel a strong frown contraction in the muscles so I am still training them to dominate. Doing the second exercise I cannot raise the outer edge of my eyebrows as if I don't have any muscles there at all! jawsdown.gif I do have control over the little muscles above and behind the ears tho which I know some people really struggle with.

Doing the exercise with short quick movements can train muscles that dont seem to be responding at first.
Eventually you will feel them and then do them with longer stronger holds.
post #50 of 91


I really like that exercise Fawnie. I find that my outer eyes are droopier than the rest, so this move will be perfect in my routine. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by fawnie View Post

Are you holding your eyebrows apart?
There is another exercise that I like that goes like this:
Relax your face
Hold your middle fingers at the beginning of your eyebrows
Raise the outer part of the eyes and concentrate on bringing the ears up and back.
Hold for 20
Release and repeat 5 times.
Massage.
It gives lift to the outer corner of the eye, Really.


 

post #51 of 91

I need one of these

 

 

 

"In the year of our Lord 1903, in the meat packing plants off the shores of the sea, Stood a young man at his slaughter post a newby by his side, He said grind it up and ship it out doesn't matter what's inside, With poison bread to kill the rats, an effective tool of trade ..." Flatfoot 56
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"In the year of our Lord 1903, in the meat packing plants off the shores of the sea, Stood a young man at his slaughter post a newby by his side, He said grind it up and ship it out doesn't matter what's inside, With poison bread to kill the rats, an effective tool of trade ..." Flatfoot 56
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post #52 of 91
Yeah you do so we can have a laugh at you! You must post on YT too!
post #53 of 91
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Which exercise program?  I need upper lids lifted!

 



Sorry Aliciaesthetics wasn't online for a while so didn't see your question.  I do the Cynthia Rowland exercise, I see that Fawnie has posted it.  Do this and in a month you'll start to notice a difference.  After several months you will see significant difference.  People tell me I look at lease 5-10 years younger since doing the eye exercise alone.  My eyelids use to be heavily lidded so if I got results, anyone can.

 

post #54 of 91
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Originally Posted by DrJ BFT View Post

If the topic is subcutaneous, then we are really talking about ...

  • Fibrous bands anchoring the skin to the deep fascia
  • Fat
  • Blood vessels on route to the dermis
  • Lymphatic vessels on route from dermis
  • Hair follicle roots
  • The glandular part of some sudiferous glands
  • Nerves: free endings and Pacinian corpuscles
  • Fine, flat sheets of muscle

 

So - what (other than plastic surgery - this is where they like to play these days - fat transfers or implants) might be helpful that fits in a bottle? Since we are really talking about muscle and fat ( the rest are support tissues) what helps those. Fawnie has a thread here about facial exercises. There are some things that might stimulate subQ fat, but they have to get there.

 

The cu=P people advertise: As Copper-peptides help tighten skin, they also improve healthy fat volume by increasing the subcutaneous fat layer (baby fat)."As Copper-peptides help tighten skin, they also improve healthy fat volume by increasing the subcutaneous fat layer (baby fat)." -- does anyone here believe that?

 

Sederma (you know them) claims Volufinine does it. http://www.sederma.fr/Actives/Volufiline.htm. Frankly I have a hard time believing this. Don't you?

 

The one thing I think might work? Soy isoflavones. We know it thikens the epidermis (see stem cell signalling thread). We know it stimulates estradiol receptors in fat pads. So if we knew it would get that far in, its reasonable to assume it would help. Think liposomal delivery.

 


 

 


 

 


I've never heard of soy isoflavones before, that's interesting, facial exercise is a good option as well, but it's not really directly related to fat, I was specifically taking about the fat loss everyone experiencing as we grow older, if one can figure out a way to slow it down, then we'll truly be able to slow down our physical age, thanks for the informative post smile.gif

 



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Cosmetics surgeons now use fillers more than surgery (pulling and cutting skin) to restore a fresher look. Surgery is so 15 min ago.


haha true.

 



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smile.gif Im just saying that "their age" CAN look good with help, without going overboard and pulled and too tight. Newer procedures look more natural imho. Mostly it centers around restoring subq fullness and glow to the skin and elimination of sun damage, altho Goldie has a lot of lentigos still.


Yes, surgeons are finally working on the real problem now which is the subq layer, in the past, all they did was lift the skin sky-high until the patient looked like a blowout doll.

 



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She's also very skinny. I think skinny people age better because they are less likely to get the fat-bags under the eyes and chubby sagging jowls. So another key to aging gracefully is to stay thin. Of course it's best to do that at any age. But young people who are chubby can be considered "voluptuous" whereas older people who are chubby are more likely to be described as something less flattering.

Oh, that reminds me, I need to add a bag of russets to my grocery list. ;)

 



I think it has to do with both of not getting fat-bags, and also calorie restriction.

http://www.fightaging.org/archives/2001/11/calorie-restriction-explained.php

 

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So anyone thinks that fat-soluble anti-oxidants can perhaps help with slowing down subq aging? I still can't find any info to deny or approve that theory hmm.gif

 

 

 

post #55 of 91
Well, while extreme caloric restriction might be able to retard the ageing process in general, it takes a huge toll on subq fat, esp in the face. The face seems to be the first place to show weight loss. I think its just weird to have a pillow face and a mature body anyway.

Female hormones have a lot to do with it too> pregnant women have puffy faces due to increased hormone levels but that subsides after childbirth.
post #56 of 91

I calorie restrict but it doesn't have to be extreme. I consistently average ~1800 Calories a day but it's pretty easy because fruits and vegetables are low in calories and high in nutrients. A whole bag of salad has like ~15 calories XDD CR has worked in virtually every organism tested:

 

CalorieRestrictionGraphicmonkey.jpg

 

 

Also the whole volume thing is touted by Dr. Brandt, who pushes fillers like crazy and regularly self injects with filler. Obviously he looks strange and not young at all. Aging is such a complex, subtle and sinister process where little indescribable flaws gradually build up.

 

Never-Winter-Director-Moe-Charif-and-renowned-Dr.-Brandt.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will say that raw foodists do seem to look convincingly younger to me than the rest of their age group

 

 

post #57 of 91
Raw foodists in general are more tuned in to health conscious behavior, not sure if its the raw food exclusively. Vegans dont look so healthy imho, esp if they neglect getting B12.

1800 kcal/day for me would be gorging, it all depends on your BMI and your activity level. Density of nutrients is important if you are going to limit calories. What kind and what amount of protein you eat is paramount.

Fred Brandt has aged dramatically in the past couple years which makes me wonder if he has something else going on. Scrawny neck doesnt look right with pillow face. He doesnt look so good but damn! those fillers are still in there!
post #58 of 91

Do you think there's something else going on like maybe a disease or something? I haven't known about him for a while so idk how different his look has changed

post #59 of 91

Some of the earliest work on calorie restriction was going on at UCLA in the lab next to mine 30 yrs ago. I can tell you this -- those rats looked, well,  ratty. Ugly. And they were irritable. . This chap looks good by comparison.

post #60 of 91

Good to know doc, thanks!

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