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DrJ BFT 
If the topic is subcutaneous, then we are really talking about ...
- Fibrous bands anchoring the skin to the deep fascia
- Fat
- Blood vessels on route to the dermis
- Lymphatic vessels on route from dermis
- Hair follicle roots
- The glandular part of some sudiferous glands
- Nerves: free endings and Pacinian corpuscles
- Fine, flat sheets of muscle
So - what (other than plastic surgery - this is where they like to play these days - fat transfers or implants) might be helpful that fits in a bottle? Since we are really talking about muscle and fat ( the rest are support tissues) what helps those. Fawnie has a thread here about facial exercises. There are some things that might stimulate subQ fat, but they have to get there.
The cu=P people advertise: As Copper-peptides help tighten skin, they also improve healthy fat volume by increasing the subcutaneous fat layer (baby fat)."As Copper-peptides help tighten skin, they also improve healthy fat volume by increasing the subcutaneous fat layer (baby fat)." -- does anyone here believe that?
Sederma (you know them) claims Volufinine does it. http://www.sederma.fr/Actives/Volufiline.htm. Frankly I have a hard time believing this. Don't you?
The one thing I think might work? Soy isoflavones. We know it thikens the epidermis (see stem cell signalling thread). We know it stimulates estradiol receptors in fat pads. So if we knew it would get that far in, its reasonable to assume it would help. Think liposomal delivery.
I've never heard of soy isoflavones before, that's interesting, facial exercise is a good option as well, but it's not really directly related to fat, I was specifically taking about the fat loss everyone experiencing as we grow older, if one can figure out a way to slow it down, then we'll truly be able to slow down our physical age, thanks for the informative post 
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fawnie
Cosmetics surgeons now use fillers more than surgery (pulling and cutting skin) to restore a fresher look. Surgery is so 15 min ago.
haha true.
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fawnie Im just saying that "their age" CAN look good with help, without going overboard and pulled and too tight. Newer procedures look more natural imho. Mostly it centers around restoring subq fullness and glow to the skin and elimination of sun damage, altho Goldie has a lot of lentigos still.
Yes, surgeons are finally working on the real problem now which is the subq layer, in the past, all they did was lift the skin sky-high until the patient looked like a blowout doll.
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sunnivara
She's also very skinny. I think skinny people age better because they are less likely to get the fat-bags under the eyes and chubby sagging jowls. So another key to aging gracefully is to stay thin. Of course it's best to do that at any age. But young people who are chubby can be considered "voluptuous" whereas older people who are chubby are more likely to be described as something less flattering.
Oh, that reminds me, I need to add a bag of russets to my grocery list. ;)
I think it has to do with both of not getting fat-bags, and also calorie restriction.
http://www.fightaging.org/archives/2001/11/calorie-restriction-explained.php
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So anyone thinks that fat-soluble anti-oxidants can perhaps help with slowing down subq aging? I still can't find any info to deny or approve that theory 
Surely it cannot be a good idea to train already dominant muscles to be stronger? Maybe I should join the Botox posse ...
