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How do I make cream with COQ10 and Alpha-lipoic Acid from GOW

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Hello skin care friends.  Can someone please tell me how to mix the COQ10 powder and  Alpha-lipoic Acid, can i mix it in a cream like cerave or should i make a serum and how much do i use in tbsp or oz, and can i put it on after my DIY C serum in the morning.   I use .5% retinA every other night or is it ok to use at night with retin A.   thanks for all and any advice. 

 

oh is anyone taking  COQ10 and or  ALA internally if so what is your outcome so far.  Thanks. 

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post #3 of 18
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Thank you so much Dragon i am going to make this tonight when i get home from work.  Yipppeee!!!

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One other DIY tip, is to use scales for all measurements. Not tsps, for example.
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ALA is a fantastic active. I've been using it myself for a month now and I'm loving the results.

 

However, it is an unstable active and will cause shedding and possibly irritation on your skin. I've been using it at 5% and initially it used to sting for about 15 seconds when I first applied it, then it would tingle for about 2 minutes. Now my skin is used to it I just get a tingle. Also, it caused my skin to shed, but the flakes were really easy to deal with. They would come off by just washing my face, and never caused me any problems with makeup application.

 

I love the results. My skin has a much finer texture now, and it's helped with getting rid of some very faint acne scarring and sun spots. I'm definitely going to keep using it!

post #6 of 18

Oh, and keep it in the fridge to maximise its longevity :)

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Hi ladies, do you think it would be ok to make a 'stock' say of 4% alpha lipoic with oil of choice, 95% grapeseed or whatever and 1% Vit E and keep in fridge so you could add to serums, creams etc at percentages up to 5%?Also could you do the same with COQ10 but at 7.5% q10 with Vit E acetate at 10% and the rest oils? They sell 7.5% q10 with 10% Vit E acetate at lotioncrafters amongst  others,I think this may be more cost effective especially if you have the powdered actives. Idebenone could be used at 0.5-1% in 98% oils and Vit E. just a thought. Mabye someone will chime in with their thoughts! hmm.gif

post #8 of 18

Hi MicheleM!

 

I've been using ALA for a few months now and find it quite an unstable active to work with, but very effective indeed. I make up my 5% ALA moisturiser in 30 ml batches and keep it in the fridge to maximise freshness. The CoQ10 would have better longevity I think, but a good rule of thumb is to keep actives as fresh as possible :)

post #9 of 18
Hi Dempeaux, thanks so much for that advice! I think I'll do as you suggest and just add it when formulating rather than keep the stock. I've never tried 5%, 3% is as high as I have ventured so far, your skin looks amazing so I'm going for it! I'll also try the COQ10 stock and see how it goes! What about Idbenone, do you think that would remain stable in solution kept in fridge? All these actives and so little time! smile.gif
post #10 of 18

Oh thankyou MicheleM! I use Dragon's recipe for making a basic moisturiser:

 

http://skinessentialactives.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/base-lotion-creme.html

 

and I just sub out 5% oils and replace with 5% ALA. Super easy to make. I really love ALA for smoothing the texture of my skin. I wouldn't be without it now :)

 

Idebenone is very similar to CoQ10, so they should be quite similar in terms of stability, but I've never really tested that theory out ;)

 

Yes, so many actives and so little time! ;P

post #11 of 18

 

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Vit E acetate at 10%

 

 

Why do you want to use 10%? What is the basis for that ?

That can potentially be very irritating on the skin. May want to reconsider.

 

Quote:

 

They sell 7.5% q10

That is strange. What is that?

post #12 of 18
Hi DragoN, this is what I was referring to in relation to Q10, I kindof thought it was high in vit E myself but Aromantic.co.uk sell the exact same product but with 20% vit E! Anyway, I was just thinking that it would be just as easy to formulate this yourself if you had thepowdered COQ10. Q-MAX™ Coenzyme Q10 is our new Coenzyme Q10 product. Coenzyme Q10 is a fat-soluble vitamin-like substance present in every cell of the human body. It serves as a coenzyme vital to production of energy within cells. It is also a very powerful antioxidant or free radical scavenger. Synthesized by the human body, it starts out at low levels when we are very young, reaches its peak in our young adulthood and shows a gradual decline after the age of 20, even as the body's demand for it grows. Coenzyme Q10 and Vitamin E are the only oil-soluble antioxidants naturally present in the epidermis but readily depleted by UV-radiation. Both actives protect the skin from the damaging effects of UV light. Topically applied, Q-Max™ can penetrate the cell layers of the skin and may attenuate the depth of wrinkles due to photo aging, as well as epithelial cell turnover. Kerotinocyte cells make up the majority of human skin cells and CoQ10 has been shown to protect these skin cells from oxidative DNA damage induced by ultraviolet light. CoQ10 supports the body's natural defense mechanism against the damaging effects of free radicals, particularly the lipid per oxidation in skin. It is a useful cosmetic ingredient for skin care and sun protection products. More than just Coenzyme Q10, our new Q-MAX™ combines Vitamin E (tocopheryl acetate) and Coenzyme Q10 (ubiquinone), synergistic antioxidants, in a convenient to use liquid carrier. Unlike Coenzyme Q10 that's been solubilized in squalane or other fixed oils, this carrier can handle a much higher Coenzyme Q10 load and generally will not precipitate out of solution in cold weather -- a definite plus for the formulator! In the event some precipitation of the COQ10 does occur in the oil, a gentle warming of the oil is all that is needed to bring it back into solution. Q-MAX™ contains a minimum of 7.5 times as much Coenzyme Q10 as is typically found in other products (and at an even better price!). Suggested Usage: 1 - 3% Appearance: Clear, dark orange-colored, oily liquid Solubility: Soluble in oil COQ10 Content: 7.5% Vitamin E Content: 10% INCI: C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate (and) Tocopheryl Acetate (and) Ubiquinone
post #13 of 18
Hi DragoN,

I meant to say on my previous posting that the information I posted re COQ10 is from the
lotioncrafter website, my 17 month old pressed submit before I was finished!redface.gif

What are your thoughts on the product? I'm presuming because it's Vit E acetate it may not be as sticky as natural Vit E but I honestly don't know!

On Dempeaux's suggestion( thanks Demp!) I'm going to try formulating the moisturiser with the Alpha Lipoic tonight........ Now if I can just get my little madam to bed............ smile.gif
post #14 of 18

MicheleM

 

COQ10 Content: 7.5% Vitamin E Content: 10%

 

Got it....you know the gong show played with HA serum 1% and 99% distilled water?

 

This is the same thing.

 

CoQ10 is a bright orange powder soluble in ETOH and OILs....The vit E is the DL...nothing wrong with either....but...you are paying for a lot of 'oil'/emollient / filler.

 

That's the bad news.

Good news,...usable.

 

 

Soluble in oil COQ10 Content: 7.5% Vitamin E Content: 10%

 

INCI: C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate 82.5%  (and) Tocopheryl Acetate 10% (and) Ubiquinone 7.5%

 

 

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Q-MAX™ contains a minimum of 7.5 times as much Coenzyme Q10 as is typically found in other products (and at an even better price!).

This is so misleading it's not even funny. You would need to use the oil as is straight on your skin.

 

I don't know what size you got....but I call that the QMaxScrew.

 

That 8 gram size = 0.6 grams of pure CoQ10. They mixed it in oil for you....wasn't that nice?

 

To get 1% CoQ10 in your product, you would need to use 13.3 % in your total formula.

 

Sad....


Edited by DragoN - 3/16/12 at 2:47am
post #15 of 18

Good luck MichelleM!

post #16 of 18

Hi DragoN,

 

You are so right it is a total rip-off! Thank god I didn't buy it, I was just wondering since I have the powder would it be more cost effective to do it myself but now I'm just going to chuck it in to my formulation as required! Made the 5% alpha lipoic cream, DEVINE!! Thanks to you and Demp! There isn't an inch of skin above my waist that isn't slathered in it! thanx.gif

post #17 of 18

Wonderful! So great to hear MichelleM!

post #18 of 18

Dempeaux has fine tuned it into something much lovelier!! hugs.gif

 

Dempeaux's ALA 5% Body cream. five.gif

 

Good to know you went with the powder MicheleM.

That advert  seered my retina  zombie.gif

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