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post #1 of 92
6/13/09 at 2:11pm
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First off I would like to say hello to the forum...

I also would like to ask: assuming cost is not a factor, what are the best routes to take for the best results..? Keep in mind this does not need to be fast in time or a quick fix... I am just looking for the best results.... period..

I should define results as all the properties of younger skin: volume, tightness, color tone, and texture...

Lastly I have a question about body skin... I am getting little moles and I do NOT like them... Why is this happening and how can I get rid of them..? What is the best treatment for body skin...?

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post #2 of 92
6/13/09 at 4:08pm
Photo-stable sunscreen with a high spf/ppd every day. 1/2 tsp combined for the face/neck.

Under the sunscreen, apply a vitamin C serum. Make your own and not only save money but assure freshness of product. Wait 30 minutes after cleansing skin to apply it. Unless you are using a neutral or less PH cleanser. ( 5.0-5.5 ph or less)
Wait at least 20 minutes after applying the C serum before applying sunscreen, moisturizer, etc.

Retin-a (tretinoin) to help repair the damage that gets through your sunscreen. Not to mention it's many other miracle properties. Start slowly and work up to nightly if possible.
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post #3 of 92
6/13/09 at 5:13pm
Good advice, Peri.

If you are having new moles I would keep an eye on them and have a medical person check them just to be sure.

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post #4 of 92
6/13/09 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by fawnie View Post

Good advice, Peri.

If you are having new moles I would keep an eye on them and have a medical person check them just to be sure.

Good advice Fawnie!. In addition to that, use the ABCDE to gauge your mole, A means asymmetry, B - borders, C - color, D - diameter, E - edges , if you notice any changes in any of these, see ur doc right away. Not to get excited, moles are no big deal but can become one if its cancer and not caught on time. good luck
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post #5 of 92
6/16/09 at 6:46am
At the expense of popularity, an ideal "no expense spared" regime would include :

Stop wasteful socializing. Reduce parasite loading ( green walnut hull, clove, etc...include Golden seal , Yellow dock , Panax , etc ..)
Move away from the city, pref cold climate ... repeat parasite cleanse, Mg flush ...

Then you are ready : (no sense feeding those extra 500billion freeloading parasites, or eating their crap, you have 400 Bill useful ones to feed...)

Absolute nutrition profile and organic sourcing (from own garden), with minimal exposure to restaurant food, unless you run it. Balanced raw protein from pure amino-acid phyto-mixtures. Organic cert Soya pure extracts, like lecithin. Buckwheat pancakes (steamed). Chia, Millet, Quinoa seed Home made cheese. Controlled Lactoferrin & Sphingolipid profile ... Paraguayan processed gluten - only, and their breads. Stevia.
No sugar, except occasional fruit. Select vitamin / mineral profile (for the lazy Tresos B)
No packaged cereals, No peanuts, and mainly Azuki beans & black rice for dessert.
Tocotrienol. C - ester ( careful with selection )

for the skin : Allantoin Ascorbate / Zinc Gluconate / amino acids followed by
carrot seed oil / buckthorn / rosehip / siberian fir / helichrysum / angelica root in a chemical / preservative free phyto base. Plenty of chlorophyl and org. sea weed. Allan who ?

Stay away from hospitals and casinos.

Then someone to interpret resources like : (and run a pathology lab next door )

Methods of controlling proliferation and differentiation of stem and progenitor cells,
United States Patent: 6,962,698 (which is not my patent, one could read them.. )
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post #6 of 92
6/16/09 at 6:57am
You need to define what area and what results you are looking for. You define youthful skin but do not define your start point which is significant as is the area you are looking to improve. For example if you have facial issues I believe ablative CO2 laser is by far the best way to achieve the results you are looking for. That said--if you are heavily wrinkled then you will likely need a face-lift and laser, if you are very superficially damged a glycolic peel may suffice. There is no best way or blanket way you need to define where you are and where you want to go.
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post #7 of 92
6/16/09 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by ce2me View Post

At the expense of popularity, an ideal "no expense spared" regime would include :

Stop wasteful socializing. Reduce parasite loading ( green walnut hull, clove, etc...include Golden seal , Yellow dock , Panax , etc ..)
Move away from the city, pref cold climate ... repeat parasite cleanse, Mg flush ...

Then you are ready : (no sense feeding those extra 500billion freeloading parasites, or eating their crap, you have 400 Bill useful ones to feed...)

Absolute nutrition profile and organic sourcing (from own garden), with minimal exposure to restaurant food, unless you run it. Balanced raw protein from pure amino-acid phyto-mixtures. Organic cert Soya pure extracts, like lecithin. Buckwheat pancakes (steamed). Chia, Millet, Quinoa seed Home made cheese. Controlled Lactoferrin & Sphingolipid profile ... Paraguayan processed gluten - only, and their breads. Stevia.
No sugar, except occasional fruit. Select vitamin / mineral profile (for the lazy Tresos B)
No packaged cereals, No peanuts, and mainly Azuki beans & black rice for dessert.
Tocotrienol. C - ester ( careful with selection )

for the skin : Allantoin Ascorbate / Zinc Gluconate / amino acids followed by
carrot seed oil / buckthorn / rosehip / siberian fir / helichrysum / angelica root in a chemical / preservative free phyto base. Plenty of chlorophyl and org. sea weed. Allan who ?

Stay away from hospitals and casinos.

Then someone to interpret resources like : (and run a pathology lab next door )

Methods of controlling proliferation and differentiation of stem and progenitor cells,
United States Patent: 6,962,698 (which is not my patent, one could read them.. )


Wow that's deep.
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post #8 of 92
6/16/09 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by periwinkle View Post

Wow that's deep.

I'd say so! Is it just me or is there something very weird going on on this site lately? I'm not sure how to interpret half of what is being said anymore.
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post #9 of 92
6/16/09 at 1:16pm
I wasn't going to say anything, but since you did-

What is happening here? Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy learning and reading everything that is posted.

But after awhile, I have to stop myself and say....
“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.†Just as ol Ben Franklin said.

-Our attitude toward life determines life's attitude towards us-

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post #10 of 92
6/16/09 at 1:34pm
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But after awhile, I have to stop myself and say....
“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.†Just as ol Ben Franklin said.

Good quote gymrat. Especially given that everything here is SEEN and not HEARD.
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post #11 of 92
6/16/09 at 2:26pm
If cost is not a factor find a good dermatologist that is interested in cosmetic skin care. They have lost of knowledge and technology that is not available for the private consumer. Then there is the beautician, esthetician or what ever they are called these days. Lasers (every thing from the mildest to really harsh), chemical peels, extractions, micro-current, etc. that really gives results. Don't go overboard, stay away from the harshest treatments. If you find a good dermatologist and skin care expert you can work with you are in heaven.

Personally I really like the products you find at places like Skinactives, they are not only good value for money but really some of the best stuff out there. The big brand names have some really good product, but they often lower concentrations of the active ingredient to prevent irritation and other unwanted reactions. Some times it is a good thing to try the interesting ingredients at a concentration that makes a difference. Skin care products based on different ingredients; the retinols, the vitamins, anti-oxidants, peptides, botanical extracts, oils and lipids is a choice and you have to make your self. They don't all go together. Some are more documented than others and there are both pros and cons to all of them. There some really good advice on this thread.
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post #12 of 92
6/16/09 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by 2blue View Post

If cost is not a factor find a good dermatologist that is interested in cosmetic skin care. They have lost of knowledge and technology that is not available for the private consumer. Then there is the beautician, esthetician or what ever they are called these days. Lasers (every thing from the mildest to really harsh), chemical peels, extractions, micro-current, etc. that really gives results. Don't go overboard, stay away from the harshest treatments. If you find a good dermatologist and skin care expert you can work with you are in heaven.

Personally I really like the products you find at places like Skinactives, they are not only good value for money but really some of the best stuff out there. The big brand names have some really good product, but they often lower concentrations of the active ingredient to prevent irritation and other unwanted reactions. Some times it is a good thing to try the interesting ingredients at a concentration that makes a difference. Skin care products based on different ingredients; the retinols, the vitamins, anti-oxidants, peptides, botanical extracts, oils and lipids is a choice and you have to make your self. They don't all go together. Some are more documented than others and there are both pros and cons to all of them. There some really good advice on this thread.

I too am a fan of Skinactives stuff. What do you use or recommend of theirs 2blue?

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post #13 of 92
6/16/09 at 2:45pm
I use the seaweed gel, anti-oxidant booster, CoQ10, mitocondrial cream, dermagen, ferulic acid, and different peptides, and green tea extract, alpha lipoic acid (I haven't dared the copper-peptide because of the warnings here). I must admit that I don't use the canvas cream so much. From other sources I have bought other stuff like salicylic powder, hydroxy peels, ascorbic powder, reversatrol.

I really want to try acupuncture regularly twice a week for a year or so; and not so much for my face as for my whole body. I know it would show in my face too.
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post #14 of 92
6/16/09 at 2:51pm
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I use the seaweed gel, anti-oxidant booster, CoQ10, mitocondrial cream, dermagen, ferulic acid, and different peptides, and green tea extract, alpha lipoic acid (I haven't dared the copper-peptide because of the warnings here). I must admit that I don't use the canvas cream so much. From other sources I have bought other stuff like salicylic powder, hydroxy peels, ascorbic powder, reversatrol.

I really want to try acupuncture regularly twice a week for a year or so; and not so much for my face as for my whole body. I know it would show in my face too.

Yep you are a skinactives junkie-

I just ordered the mitocondrial cream. I use the collagen serum, DMAE serum, coffee cream, anti aging cream, anti oxidant booster. I also order a load of stuff for my DIY from them.

Did you not like the canvas cream? compared to the mitocondrial which is better? in your opinion

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post #15 of 92
6/16/09 at 3:16pm
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I just ordered the mitocondrial cream. I use the collagen serum, DMAE serum, coffee cream, anti aging cream, anti oxidant booster.

Gymrat - when do you use all of these creams? Do you alternate or rotate or what? I am a creature of habit and tend to use the same things day after day after day after day.

I use the C serum in the AM, the RA at night, and miscellaneous oils as moisturizers. I am still looking for a decent booster to use after the C serum in the AM.

Have you (or anyone else, besides the Fawnster that is) tried the snake venom serum at all? GOW has one that is 3% and one that is 5%.

In terms of my needs - I am fighting some creases and so a relaxant sounds good - maybe the venom (?); also loss of collagen and so a booster might be useful - any ideas? Thanks!
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post #16 of 92
6/16/09 at 3:25pm
Canvas is good, but I chose to order all the actives separately and use my own or another cream as base. Creams weigh a lot and the actives don't, p&p to Europe is expensive. I wonder if I can find a European company with that much to choose from! Canvas is light and smooth, the mitocondrial cream is loaded with stuff and you can feel it on the skin when you apply it.

I try lots of stuff now, I am still rather new to them. I might go for fewer actives when I figure out what works best.
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post #17 of 92
6/16/09 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by mireckca View Post

Gymrat - when do you use all of these creams? Do you alternate or rotate or what? I am a creature of habit and tend to use the same things day after day after day after day.

I use the C serum in the AM, the RA at night, and miscellaneous oils as moisturizers. I am still looking for a decent booster to use after the C serum in the AM.

Have you (or anyone else, besides the Fawnster that is) tried the snake venom serum at all? GOW has one that is 3% and one that is 5%.

In terms of my needs - I am fighting some creases and so a relaxant sounds good - maybe the venom (?); also loss of collagen and so a booster might be useful - any ideas? Thanks!

Well..........I use all of my creams and such. This is how I do it now, as of today-

Vit C in the am, wait my time, then occasionally my DMAE serum, apply my coffee cream, then makeup if I wear any. At night I apply my RA then my anti aging cream. Some nights, like last night, I applied my anti oxidant booster with some grapeseed oil and that was it. It just really depends. But yes, I do use creams and like them VERY much. Finding the right ones can be a challenge, but that is what I enjoy-

Yes I have the venom and the sesaflash, just have not used either yet. It is one of those things I have to plan do use. Most times I am in a hurry when it comes to applying my makeup. Plus, I don't want to apply the sesaflash and not apply makeup because that is why I got it to begin with. To see what, if any difference when applying my foundation. Lately I have been going without makeup.

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post #18 of 92
6/16/09 at 3:33pm
Gymrat - where did you order the venom from? GOW? Who else carries it?
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post #19 of 92
6/16/09 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by ce2me View Post

At the expense of popularity, an ideal "no expense spared" regime would include :

Stop wasteful socializing. Reduce parasite loading ( green walnut hull, clove, etc...include Golden seal , Yellow dock , Panax , etc ..)
Move away from the city, pref cold climate ... repeat parasite cleanse, Mg flush ...

Then you are ready : (no sense feeding those extra 500billion freeloading parasites, or eating their crap, you have 400 Bill useful ones to feed...)

Absolute nutrition profile and organic sourcing (from own garden), with minimal exposure to restaurant food, unless you run it. Balanced raw protein from pure amino-acid phyto-mixtures. Organic cert Soya pure extracts, like lecithin. Buckwheat pancakes (steamed). Chia, Millet, Quinoa seed Home made cheese. Controlled Lactoferrin & Sphingolipid profile ... Paraguayan processed gluten - only, and their breads. Stevia.
No sugar, except occasional fruit. Select vitamin / mineral profile (for the lazy Tresos B)
No packaged cereals, No peanuts, and mainly Azuki beans & black rice for dessert.
Tocotrienol. C - ester ( careful with selection )

for the skin : Allantoin Ascorbate / Zinc Gluconate / amino acids followed by
carrot seed oil / buckthorn / rosehip / siberian fir / helichrysum / angelica root in a chemical / preservative free phyto base. Plenty of chlorophyl and org. sea weed. Allan who ?

Stay away from hospitals and casinos.

Then someone to interpret resources like : (and run a pathology lab next door )

Methods of controlling proliferation and differentiation of stem and progenitor cells,
United States Patent: 6,962,698 (which is not my patent, one could read them.. )


WAH?????? What question did this answer???

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post #20 of 92
6/16/09 at 4:43pm
Yeah - like I said above (post #8), things are sort of weird on this site right now.
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