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skin whitening was popular in both the east and the west for millenia!

and this forum, and Sammy Sosa, are proof, it still is to this day!

obviously, having evenly dark skin is not a disease, or curse. it's simply beautiful combination of good genes for natural partial sunblock, and a healthy lifestyle under the sun.

however, lets not hesitate to admit that many of us are here because we finally stopped for a bit to realize amidst our busy, outdoors lifestyles, that our skins have darkened through the many years of sun exposure. and, often times, that darkening is not even. understandably, the most exposed parts are weathered the most.

theres nothing wrong or to be ashamed about, with wanting to go back to look more even-toned or to go back to your unweathered, less blemished skin tone from many years ago. or even to look brighter and clearer-complected.

that's what exfoliation, microdermabrasion, skin peels, vitamins, minerals, natural actives, masks, scrubs, and sometimes lasers, are for, a gentle, subtle lightening of the skin to make it look fresh, younger, and healthier.

hardly no one is not aware of the topic of SL these days, thanks to the media and diversity in our communities. case in point Michael Jackson, may he rest in peace, will always be remembered for not only his incredible talent but his major physical transformation. underneath all the layers of cloths and clown makeup even after decades of monobenzone use, all the way to his deathbed, are physical and spiritual scars that show right through! a look at most of his unedited photos reveals Jackson obviously attempted depigmentation but was left somewhat disfigured despite using monobenzone and who knows what else, for over 20 years! the unsightly aesthetic disfigurement of hyperpigmented macules show right through copious layers of makeup despite applied by perhaps one of the world's best makeup artists!we can only try our best to understand it, a lesson learned for all of us in the arena of skin lightening.



MJ was hardly the first in the quest for a perfect pallor, there was also Queen Elizabeth I!; and unfortunately, because of the boom in plastic surgery, plus easy internet access to prescription drugs, sadly, MJ probably won't be the last :-[ ...

much in agreement even with a world's leading dermatologist, Dr. Grimes, the medical consensus is that they are certain monobenzone used in any shape, strength, combination, source, form, or duration, (and perhaps its closest analog, mequinol) on skin not already afflicted with extensive vitiligo, may seem to work beautifully temporarily for the first year or so, but even when discontinued, ultimately results in a permanent, disfiguring complexion horror story for the rest of that risk-takers life, as exemplified by Michael Jackson.

similarly, one must avoid or tread carefully with normally prescription-only drugs including hydroquinone over 3%, corticosteroids, and possibly even Retin-A. some of these are not necessarily suitable long-term for skin lightening treatments or maintenances, and furthermore, contribute nothing to the healthiness or integrity of the skin, so why use them?? hydroquinone, mequinol (solage), and corticoids especially are basically just a quick fix and then possibly a dead end on dark or ethnic skin type. i might even call them the Terrible 3!

success in all your vanity endeavors is safely, healthfully achieved by coupling natural ingredient immersion, with patient positive thinking, including meditative light body activation or in other words applying the simple pensative rule of positive attraction.

blah blah blah....... onto da history...

HISTORY:

1200s - 1600s EUROPEAN WHITENING
Did you know that women during the Renaissance (1400s-1600s) used to obsess about getting their skin as pale and as white as possible? In those times, only very rich, white women pursued a porcelain skin. White skin was seen as a sign of modesty and virtue in a woman. Red lips were also coveted for expression of passion and beauty. The ideal combination was a white face with reddened lips and cheeks. However, a pure white, porcelain complexion is impossible for a healthy person to attain naturally, not even a white northern European! So much like today, those women used creams and other methods to whiten their skin, some of them quite dangerous or even lethal! One of the most popular methods back then was white lead powder. Women all over Europe used it to whiten their faces, necks and chests.



ASIAN WHITENING
At the other end of the planet, Japan already were ahead in the dangerous skin whitening question, observing an almost identical standard for beauty with the same pale white skin, red lips and cheeks in place, including for male dancers, at least as early as the 1200s. This white lead only acted as an opaque mineral makeup that sat on the skin as white clown paint, and did nothing for the actual skin. Unfortunately, lead was easily absorbed through the skin, leading to lead poisoning.
This caused hair loss, a deteriorating mental condition and muscle paralysis. Lead was also corrosive and ate away at the skin, which meant that thicker and thicker layers had to be applied over time. Prolonged use killed thousands of women, including Queen Elizabeth I. It was not classified as a poison until 1634.





Thereafter, the popular skin whitener became sublimate of mercury. Women often used it as a skin peeler to remove blemishes. As smallpox was prevalent then, removing smallpox scars was of vital importance. Mercury sublimate was also used to remove warts and bleach freckles.

Unfortunately, that promise of beauty with mercury compounds was also short-lived as prolonged use led to a premature aging of the skin. One doctor would often describe such a mercury-withered countenance as "the face of an ape". Like the lead, mercury chloride was easily absorbed through the skin and resulted in many deaths.
To make matters worse, another type of mercury was used to redden cheeks – mercury sulphide. (And still today, many skin lightening products contain various mercury compounds)

AMERICAN COLONIAL WHITENING (Including Blacks & Latinos) Much like the English language, it seems all the Anglo-Saxon colonialization, from the Crusades, to the Conquistadors, to the British occupations, the the US's extermination of native americans and their permanent military presence in Middle East and Asia, that a colonial mentality has embedded itself in our society firmy.

People from ethnic backgrounds with dark skin often show personal preference for fair skin, because their culture has been subjected to this colonization by white people as the powerful leaders of the dark, perceievedly "inferior" rest. When slaves were freed in America in the 1800s, creams with mercury were marketed from the 1930s to early 1970s.



However, in 1974, the FDA banned use of mercury in any skin lightening products because of poisonings and contamination of the environment. The skin lightening industry was forced to resort to the only other know whitening ingredient, monobenzone, which was discovered by accident to have been causing depigmented patches on black factory workers' hands.

But by the late 1970s, there was epidemic of disfigurements blacks using whitening creams containing monobenzone, suffering a mix of randomly hyper-and hypo-pigmentated areas of skin often described as chemical vitiligo or chemical leucoderm in Europe and Africa, where there were also outbreaks.



So this time by the 1980s the FDA ruled that the skin lightening companies may only use Hydroquinone as the approved active ingredient in their creams.


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INTERMISSION:

more on Samy Sosa:

Sosa issued his own statement insisting that he is not a racist, and that he's been using a cream he purchased from Europe which he plans to market soon to the general public.

"What happened was that I had been using the cream for a long time and that, combined with the bright TV lights, made my face look whiter than it really is. I don’t think I look like Michael Jackson."


"This has caused such a controversy that even I am surprised."

A Chicago dermatologist says he shouldn't be.

"I see a man who has changed at least six shades of color in his skin", said Dr. Omeed Memar.

Dr. Memar believes Sosa used a more powerful form of the chemical hydroquinone, monobenzone, which ultimately removes all skin pigmentation, including on his lips.

Looking at a recent photo of Sosa with lighter skin, Dr. Memar said, "Here you're seeing almost like lipstick color, so this is most likely a lip tattoo, a permanent tattoo."

Hydroquinone (monobenzylether) is usually used to treat vitiligo, the disease which Michael Jackson said produced blotchy white patches, and led him to bleach his skin to even out his skin tone.

Sosa denies having vitiligo, but Dr. Memar isn't so sure.

I would consider that not treatment, going from black to lighter color, or depigmented white. That's almost mutilation, said Dr. Memar.

Unless Sosa suffered some kind of skin disfiguration, Dr. Memar says hydroquinone (monobenzylether?) is both unprofessional and dangerous.

He's subjecting himself to a potential carcinogen, said Dr. Memar. He's setting himself up for skin cancer for the rest of his life, because of the loss of pigmentation.

Dr. Memar says Sosa probably used the cream for at least three months, and possibly several more, to achieve the degree of skin lightening we've seen.

But Dr. Memar also points out, his conclusions are only an educated guess and Sosa's medical history is no one's business but his own.
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Today, according to the FDA, approximately 65 companies sell over 200 different types of skin-lightening products containing hydroquinone in the U.S. Currently, products that contain up to 2 percent hydroquinone may be sold in the U.S. without a prescription.And even with a prescription, the FDA restricts skin-lightening products to up to 4 percent hydroquinone. Hydroquinone over 5% is linked with the medical condition known as ochronosis in which the skin is affected with a general, paradoxical hyperpigmentation and/or blue-black areas of darkening. There is also talk that Hydroquinone may eventually be banned by the FDA, as it already is in most of Europe and Asia.

SOUTH ASIAN LIGHTENING
Far away from America, India has not been speared Colonial mentality. British Member of Parliament Thomas Macaulay is famous for concluding in 1835 that:
"We must do our best to for a class of persons Indian in blood and color, but English in tastes, opinions, morals and intellect."
Although indian Ayurvedic medicine which has been around for millenia does include recipes for a somewhat fairer, radiant complexion using rose water, neem, turmeric, saffron, and many other herbal, that addresses skin tone alone, in contrast What we are seeing in Bollywood may be a much furthered aesthetic ideal based on European standards of beauty. India, which was ruled by the British for 200 years (refer to quote above), is home to the most popular skin tone cream whether you consider it a sunblock or a fairness cream, "Fair & Lovely".



unfortunately, Fair & Lovely is reported (from one source) to sometimes contain trace mercury just under the levels allowed by India & the FDA. that can't just be a coincidence, and they don't mention that in their commercials, they're too busy preying on your emotions and furthering your feelings of inferiority or uselessness or unattractiveness unless you do something about it and get lighter.

so even in today's age of consumer protection, don't use it or any products in or on your body that are less that 100% trustable. there are still many potentially dangerous chemicals out there, especially if they are used on large areas or for more than a few months. some of the most dangerous or disfiguring continue to be mercury, mercury compounds, steroids, monobenzone, peroxides, or undeclared/excess hydroquinone.

here are some currently banned products:

Soaps Containing Mercury and its Compounds:
MOVATE
MEKAKO
JARIBU
TURA
ACURA
RICO
FAIR LADY
ELEGANCE
MIKI
JAMBO

Skin Lightening Creams Containing Mercury and its Compounds:
PIMPLEX MEDICATED CREAM
NEW SHIRLEY MEDICATED CREAM

Cream Preparations Containing Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2):
JOLEN CREAM

Skin Preparations Containing Steroids:
MOVATE CREAM
SKIN SUCCESS GEL
HOT MOVATE GEL
AMIRA -C
NEU CLEAR GEL
TENOVATE
BODY CLEAR CREAM SPOT REMOVER
TOP GEL PLUS
SOFT AND BEAUTIFUL CREAM
LEMONVATE CREAM
SECRET GEL
TCB GEL PLUS
UNIC CLEAR SUPER CREAM
TOPIFRAM CREAM
SKIN BALANCE LEMON CREAM
PEAU CLAIRE GEL PLUS
DARK & LOVELY GEL
DERMO -GEL PLUS
PEAU CLAIRE CREAM
FASHION FAIR GEL PLUS
HOT PROSONE GEL
SKIN BALANCE CREAM WRINKLE REMOVER
DARK & LOVELY CREAM
VISIBLE DIFFERENCE GEL
SIVOCLAIR CREAM
ACTION DEMOVATE CREAM
REGGE LEMON GEL
ULTIMATE LADY GEL
TOPIFRAM GEL PLUS
AGE RENEWAL CREAM
FAIR & WHITE GEL PLUS
PEAU CLAIR GEL PLUS
FASHION FAIR CREAM
FIRST CLASS LADY CREAM
SKIN SUCCESS CREAM
NEU CLEAR CREAM PLUS
JARIBU BETA - β CREAM
BODY TREAT CREAM SPOT REMOVER
CLAIR & LOVELY GEL
PEAU CLAIR CREAM
SOFT & BEAUTIFUL GEL
ACTION DEMOVATE GEL PLUS
PROSONE GEL
SKIN BALANCE GEL WRINKLE REMOVER
ULTRA-GEL PLUS
PRO-ONE GEL MCA
BETALEMON CREAM

there are other creams suspected of containing at least traces of mercury or corticosteroids, as time passes, including Stillmans, Arche, syrian Pohli, and yes, even Fair & Lovely. it is difficult to be sure since even the biggest manufacturers have a history of spiking their creams to become popular, then tapering off once established or once haulted by the FDAs :-[


Current Safer Topical Treatmentsconsult a physician first)

Hydroquinone 3% or less
Tretinoin or retinoids
Azelaic acid
Kojic acid
Mequinol 2% w. 0.01% tretinoin
Arbutin
Bearberry/mulberry
Licorice
Niacinamide
Turmeric
MSM
Vit C
Laser or IPL
Fractional photothermolysis or Fraxel

further future comparison studies of the laser treatments and depigmenting agents would help determine the optimal treatment for patients of varying skin tones with hyperpigmentation.

there are thousands of patents or pending patents on a plethora of synthetic and natural comounds, registered by commercial markets.


GLOBAL SKIN LIGHTENING MARKET IS PREDICTED TO REACH $10 BILLION BY 2015

The global skin lightening market is predicted to reach $10 billion by 2015, driven by new markets in the West and sustained growth in Asia-Pacific, a report by Global Industry Analysts (GIA) has revealed.
The research confirmed the dominance of the Asian market for skin lightening products, but also highlighted a number of new trends in the West which had contributed to this growth on a global scale:

Men’s products
A recent report entitled ‘Skin lighteners: a global strategic business report’ includes claims that there has been a recent increase in the market for men’s whitening products.




Entire-body lightening
The report also finds that skin lightening products are now being used in skin care for the body, whereas it has been previously used as a product for the face.

According to the GIA, skin lighteners are becoming more popular in the West as an anti-ageing product, since they can inhibit skin pigmentation or ‘brown spots’ which is expected to occur to some degree in everyone at some point after their 40s.

Traditionally, the biggest demand for skin lighteners has been from Asian consumers. However, the growth in ethnic population in UK and US is now said to have accelerated demand for lightening products in the West.

Strongest growth in Asia and Japan
Nevertheless, the market for skin lighteners in Asia-Pacific still remains the strongest area of growth. Japan dominates the market, while India and China are the fastest growing markets. According to GIA, the Asian market for skin lighteners will consequently cross the $2 billion mark by 2012.

The report identifies skin lighteners as a multi-usage cosmetic products. For example, consumers in the West often use lighteners for their anti-aging benefits, while the Asian consumer uses them to lighten the overall color and tone of their skin.

According to the report, in order to make the most of marketing, promotional and distribution strategies companies need to recognize the regional preferences of their consumer while still maintaining a strong and expanding market on a global scale.







^Let's not ever forget, 'Everything in Moderation'!

and please consider watch the movie 'Saloni Ka Safar' (Saloni’s Journey), which tells the story of a confident, dark-skinned woman making her way in the world.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GNJVfTEWdE[/youtube]

Saat Phere is a story of a girl's struggles against the stigmas forced upon her by society and her quest for her unique identity. Although India has progressed in various fields of technology, science & education, discrimination against women remains the root cause of regression in many societies in India leading to degradation of women. One such story is that of Saloni, a dark complexioned 24-year-old girl. Salonis's talent is overshadowed by her complexion. Faced with such a situation, Saloni is determined to not let society's will be imposed upon her and ruin her life and has the will, spirit and the courage to embark upon the journey to search for her own unique identity. Yehi hai Saloni ka Safar.


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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh .. is that lil kim ??/ she is looking err.. NOT so nice !
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good info!
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"underneath all the layers of cloths and clown makeup even after decades of monobenzone use, all the way to his deathbed, are physical and spiritual scars that show right through! a look at most of his unedited photos reveals Jackson obviously attempted depigmentation but was left somewhat disfigured despite using monobenzone and who knows what else, for over 20 years! the unsightly aesthetic disfigurement of hyperpigmented macules show right through copious layers of makeup despite applied by perhaps one of the world's best makeup artists!we can only try our best to understand it, a lesson learned for all of us in the arena of skin lightening."

Firstly, I appreciate the effort you made in your compilation but there is a lot of misinformation & skewed 'facts' in there.

Firstly, MJ had VITILIGO. I've seen the damage this disease can cause & how quickly it can devastate a person's appearance. My older brother developped it quite suddenly & he's well on his way to an MJ complexion. This is happening w/o any lightning agents whatsoever. There's never been a shred of evidence that MJ used mono. Just a whole lot of repeated conjecture. When his house(Neverland) was searched by law enforcement pursuant to his child molestation debacle, both Eldopaque & Eldoquin were found (HQ4%). Never was mono found or reported by any reliable source to have been in his possesion.

Another flaw is the extreme examples you have selected. Sammy Sosa, Lil Kim etc are people who have gone to extremes that, in my time here, only 2 people (out of hundreds) have expressed the desire to achieve. Very few black people using lightening agents are seeking to become that pale.

Skin lightening in Asian countries predates contact & colonialization by whites by many centures. In these countries, it speaks to the class structures & divisions of labour. We live in a time & place where the prevalence of a middle class is normative. In most parts of the world, this was anathema until recently. You were either a poor statusless faceless rightsless virtual slave (serf, labourer, slave) or you were a part of the nobility. One way a noble could be distinguished is by his fair skin due to never having to work out of doors. This was NOT about 'race' as we define it in modern times in the west nor was it about 'European Caucasians'. The ancient as well as the modern Asian using a skin lightener seeks to resemble the standards of beauty in his/her culture regardless of what Europeans think. Despite bombardment with the glories of tanning, tanning beds, lotions, sprays & god knows what else, Asia hasn't bought it overall. They've retained their own esthetic sense. European companies seeking success in their markets had better present them with an image they consider beautiful: a fair skinned model. While Katherine Zeta Jones (Elizabeth Arden spokesmodel) & Salma Hayek (Avon) & Q.Latifah (Cover Girl) Kimora Lee (baby phat) are considered great beauties in the west, in Asia they aren't favoured. One could reasonably argue that the majority of caucasians would not meet the Asian standard (too tanned, lips too full <I remember them criticizing Nastassja Kinski for this> too large implants...)

Whenever examples of 'blacks' who've lightened are trotted out, the one in a million with ochronosis, the mono 'dots' people & the 'disturbed' (Lil Kim) are shoved in our faces. They represent such an infintessimally small minority of skin lighteners as to constitute rare exceptions. They are not the rule. Why not show the black woman who has safely & successfully lightened by 2-5 shades (the vast majority). Why not show the Asian who has cleared her melasma, evened her tone & become clear light skinned (NOT a geisha smeared in rice powder & titanium). What % of Japanese women do you think were geishas? Probably similar to the % of white women who are Cirque Du Soleil acrobats.

The problem with these 'in a nutshell histories' is that they depict a distorted patchwork quilt of extreme examples (Elizabeth I ) rare examples & make them appear normative.
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MJ did have Vitiligo. even if he did use mono he has every right to do so, he had VITILIGO after all. besides why do u exemplify MJ as a being the disfigured one? he was pure white head to toe, and that's desirable for those who have the same issue. He was and still a good example and encouragement for those with extensive vitiligo sufferer, being pure white is their ultimate goal .
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My brother would hug you, yellowleave. You should see what it is doing to him. It IS disfiguring him & there's not a thing he can do to stop it. There are a few vitiligo sufferers in my family but most have a few spots in aread concealed by clothing & Dermablend hides the few visible spots. Their vitiligo seems stable too. My brothers is active & rampant. within a year or 2 he'll be completely depigmented. NOT 'caucasian' natural white, but depigmented .
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Yellow - MICHEAL JACKSON may have had vitiligo.,,The reason I have caled him freakish in the past .. is just not only about facial colour ..

The Things he had done to his face/...Lets be honest... how would you like to see a face as unreal as that day in and day out in your home every morning .....


Lil kim up in the pics and micheal jackson had genuinely ruined their looks.. he stopped having a face for heavens sakes.. in the last ten years he didt have a face...

Dont you think it would be rather nice to have a real face instead of something that does not resemble a normal looking face ?

He had what you actually call . Body Dysmorphia disorder!


So did lil kim ...

Sosa has just lightened his skin .. BIG DEAL... HIs features remain the same..
Making a chanage or two is nothing .... if given a chance maybe even id do that... but going over the top is exactly what micheal did..
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My brother would hug you, yellowleave. You should see what it is doing to him. It IS disfiguring him & there's not a thing he can do to stop it. There are a few vitiligo sufferers in my family but most have a few spots in aread concealed by clothing & Dermablend hides the few visible spots. Their vitiligo seems stable too. My brothers is active & rampant. within a year or 2 he'll be completely depigmented. NOT 'caucasian' natural white, but depigmented .

I would hug him too. I know what a vitiligo sufferer would feel. I've known a lot of people with extensive vitiligo and simply their viti is impossibel to repig the bleaching treatment i wouldnt say easier but faster and has more desirable results. I know a girl who has really extensive wide spread case of viti she is almost depiged -from viti alone- the only pigmented part is a line a crossing her face from her left ear to the right one. I wish I could tell her in a polite way girl you need to bleach this line. but again i'm not in position to tell her that. it might hurt her, she might want it that way etc etc I hate hurting others as I feel really guilty about it later
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Yellow - MICHEAL JACKSON may have had vitiligo.,,The reason I have caled him freakish in the past .. is just not only about facial colour ..

The Things he had done to his face/...Lets be honest... how would you like to see a face as unreal as that day in and day out in your home every morning .....


Lil kim up in the pics and micheal jackson had genuinely ruined their looks.. he stopped having a face for heavens sakes.. in the last ten years he didt have a face...

Dont you think it would be rather nice to have a real face instead of something that does not resemble a normal looking face ?

He had what you actually call . Body Dysmorphia disorder!


So did lil kim ...

Sosa has just lightened his skin .. BIG DEAL... HIs features remain the same..
Making a chanage or two is nothing .... if given a chance maybe even id do that... but going over the top is exactly what micheal did..

so, having Body Dysmorphia disorder is a good excuse to attack him and call him a freak? well I heard there's a good options other than attacking people with disorders there's something called sympathy!? I don't know what does that word mean? would u check that in the dictionary for me please?
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Excellent post guesswhoiam.
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Yellow - MICHEAL JACKSON may have had vitiligo.,,The reason I have caled him freakish in the past .. is just not only about facial colour ..

The Things he had done to his face/...Lets be honest... how would you like to see a face as unreal as that day in and day out in your home every morning .....


Lil kim up in the pics and micheal jackson had genuinely ruined their looks.. he stopped having a face for heavens sakes.. in the last ten years he didt have a face...

Dont you think it would be rather nice to have a real face instead of something that does not resemble a normal looking face ?

He had what you actually call . Body Dysmorphia disorder!


So did lil kim ...

Sosa has just lightened his skin .. BIG DEAL... HIs features remain the same..
Making a chanage or two is nothing .... if given a chance maybe even id do that... but going over the top is exactly what micheal did..

Michael Jackson was a legend with unsurpassed musical contributions, all that success may have interfered with his quality of life but I am sure he didnt have Body Dysmorphia Disorder, neither did Lil Kim, if that was the case then every person who is bleaching would have that disorder and most of us dont.
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^ is eldopaque forte used to treat Vitiligo? please provide medical reference.



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I am sure he didnt have Body Dysmorphia Disorder.

wow!

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^ is eldopaque forte used to treat Vitiligo? please provide medical reference.
yes blended with retin a to lighten the normal skin.
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Michael Jackson had Vitiligo and Lupus. His father has reported that his maternal aunt also suffered from the condition. People with Vitiligo are mistreated and stared at when they go out in public. They have no choice, but to even out their skin. Calling someone who is trying to remedy a serious skin condition a freak is ignorant and cowardly. A freak is someone that insults dead people that they do not know. As a relative of someone with Lupus, I know that it causes skin damage as well. Lupus causes the dysfunction of the immune system. It begins to turn on the body's organs. The skin is the largest organ and can be affected, as well. My family member's skin burns easily in the sun and heat. She has discolored rashes on her face and back. Do your homework before you start talking foolishness about people with various afflictions. Peace.
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GuesswhoIam,

I've provided scientific references to this in umpteen posts in the past. If you go to Google Scholar & perform a search, several references will pop up. As was stated above, when blended with RA & sometimes a corticosteroid it can be very effective & well tolerated. As for MJ, he had access to many medications that he was getting using aliases, from a host of Dr's & probably from other sources. The creams were prescribed by that Derm who appeared on CNN shortly after MJ's death. As to how frequestly he used them & what method of application he used, the Derm didn't say & neither did MJ to my recollection. Re mono, if the police didn't find it while exercising a search warrant, it is because it wasn't there. They DID find Eldopaque & Eldoquin.

As for dysmorphia, both respected men (Dr.Deepak Chopra & R.Shmuley Boteach) have publicly stated that he was suffering from this but that is no surprise to anyone. His was a sad tale of a tyrannical & judgmental father mocking him over his nose. Then came all that acne all with the media reporting on his every move & inventing tall tales to boot! Even a strong emotionally stable person could cave under such scrutiny. His remains, though, an extreme example & is in no way typical of people who use lightening agents. These extreme examples are often trottrd out as 'shaming' or 'scare' tactics. It is akin to using Jocelyn Wildenstein (sp?) as a 'typical' example of facial filler use.
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Chino, loving your post, keep it up!
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Why not show the black woman who has safely & successfully lightened by 2-5 shades (the vast majority).


yes, why not?

still waiting to SEE....
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