[Butterfly Girl]

Hi everyone I'm new to skin care talk but have been a skin care junky for a long time. I have just about given up on department store products because they really on average don't deliver. Am I the only one to feel ripped off by the cosmetic industry? I tried a ton of stuff but am always open to suggestions. Hope to hear from other searchers. cheers!

 

[fawnie]

Oh Butterfly! That's my gripe too: all that advertising, packaging, dept store real estate and then the darn stuff doesn't even work! What have you tried that HAS worked for you?
Welcome!
fawnie

 

[Gavelgirl]

Sarna works but stinks like Bengay. Hey I bought it , i tried it, it stinks but works and the money has already been spent. has anyone ever tried goldbond?

 

[lovebeauty]

i've use grace cosmetics. all their skin care products are great.

 

[Barbara C]

I have to say that Aveda skin care products are fabulous for dry skins. Totally organic and very reasonable too

 

[noosh]

My mum uses an olive oil line from some online site and loves it. I can find out for you if you are interested.

 

[Shshly]

It is the lose of collagen,

Collagen, at the skin level is naturally the occurring fibrous protein, is a primary support
structure of the skin. It gives the skin strength and suppleness as well as an inherent
ability to retain moisture, and makes up about 70% of dermal volume. With aging, and as
a result of exposure to the sun, our collagen fiber components begin to weaken, become
less pliant and more hardened. The result is the development of dry, wrinkled skin that
has lost its inherent elasticity.

Collagen is a powerful anti-ageing protein. Without enough collagen your skin & body is old, whatever your age! No Anti-Ageing system can be
effective without an adequate supply of body collagen.

Rose Sea Collagen Serum is a good stuff. I bought my mum one bottle this year. She love it.

 

[izzyroks]

I like to use heartbeauty's products. I can send you a link to their website if you want more info - Their products are all Paraben Free and Cruelty Free (which is important to me, as a vegan) and their Gentle Face Cream is Awesome - I make my son buy me some every mothers day

Izzy

 

[Mari]

It is the lose of collagen,

Collagen, at the skin level is naturally the occurring fibrous protein, is a primary support
structure of the skin. It gives the skin strength and suppleness as well as an inherent
ability to retain moisture, and makes up about 70% of dermal volume. With aging, and as
a result of exposure to the sun, our collagen fiber components begin to weaken, become
less pliant and more hardened. The result is the development of dry, wrinkled skin that
has lost its inherent elasticity.

Collagen is a powerful anti-ageing protein. Without enough collagen your skin & body is old, whatever your age! No Anti-Ageing system can be
effective without an adequate supply of body collagen.

Rose Sea Collagen Serum is a good stuff. I bought my mum one bottle this year. She love it.

what you have said is true. Collagen comes from a variety of sources -- cow skin which is treated to minimize allergic reactions or infections. Some companies collect it from human donors or extract cells from the patient before growing the necessary amount in a laboratory.

However - and this is disgusting -- The Guardian UK newspaper -- reported in 2005 that a Chinese cosmetics company is using skin harvested from corpses of executed convicts to develop beauty products -- which they can manufacture the same human collagen for less than 5% of what it costs in the west. The collagen they manufacture is mainly directed towards lip and wrinkle treatment. We have no way of knowing whether a reputable cosmetic company is unknowingly buying collagen from these Chinese cosmetic manufacturers.

Sorry to spoil your day. But I am examining where my products are made.
what price beauty?

 

[IluvNY]

I have to say though products in the Uk are getting better yes there are some crap ones out their still but the more that iv learnt about skin care and what to look for in products the easier it becomes to get the correct products for your skin!

 

[fawnie]

what you have said is true. Collagen comes from a variety of sources -- cow skin which is treated to minimize allergic reactions or infections. Some companies collect it from human donors or extract cells from the patient before growing the necessary amount in a laboratory.

However - and this is disgusting -- The Guardian UK newspaper -- reported in 2005 that a Chinese cosmetics company is using skin harvested from corpses of executed convicts to develop beauty products -- which they can manufacture the same human collagen for less than 5% of what it costs in the west. The collagen they manufacture is mainly directed towards lip and wrinkle treatment. We have no way of knowing whether a reputable cosmetic company is unknowingly buying collagen from these Chinese cosmetic manufacturers.

Sorry to spoil your day. But I am examining where my products are made.
what price beauty?

Oh oh oh

I wouldn't doubt it for a second. How disgusting!
The collagen II that is in the supplements I swallow is (supposedly) from chicken collagen. Hopefully not the criminal ones.

Juvederm and Restylane are made from hyaluronic acid, so should be safe though, right?

 

[Mari]

Oh oh oh

I wouldn't doubt it for a second. How disgusting!
The collagen II that is in the supplements I swallow is (supposedly) from chicken collagen. Hopefully not the criminal ones.

Juvederm and Restylane are made from hyaluronic acid, so should be safe though, right?

I always thought collagen came from a squeaky clean petrie dish in a lab.

 

[fawnie]

I always thought collagen came from a squeaky clean petrie dish in a lab.

Yeah...RIGHT!!!! Did you know the Easter Bunny is coming soon?

 

[Mari]

Yeah...RIGHT!!!! Did you know the Easter Bunny is coming soon?

Does he have collagen?

 

[Leslie]

You guys are funny, LOL!!


I just wanted to give a suggestion to Butterfly girl and anyone else that may be interested.

I think you should determine wheter your skin is dry (lacks oil) or dehydrated (lacks moisture or water). Products with hyaluronic acid work great, it holds 1000x's it's weight in water which basically means it will give your potentially thirsty skin a great big drink of water and provides volume to fill those pesky lines and wrinkles.

If in fact your skin lacks oil, you should be using a cream cleanser ( I don't know if you do already or not). I know of an excellent cream moisturizer that I know you will love. It is made by Aveda and is botanically based. It includes Tourmaline which is a mineral that boosts your skin radiance and gives it that nice dewey glow. It is very emollient and is perfect for dry skin. This is a product that you will definetly use to the last drop and most certainly will not collect dust in your bathroom vanity. You can find it at your local Aveda store or spa retailer, or maybe even online. You can go in and sample it and then buy it. Let me know how you like it.

They also have what is called Balancing Infusion, try the one for dry skin. It is a essentail oil blend, customized for your skin type, in a jojoba base. It smells fantastic and a little bit goes a long way. You can use a couple drops in your cream cleanser, as a facial massage lubricant, with your favorite moisturizer or even as your moisturizer at night to nourish your skin while you sleep. I hope this helps.

Peace,
Leslie

 

[Mari]

I like Aveda products and buy them when they're available to me. I particularly like the fact that the sales staff lets you try the products -- without giving you that intimidating glare. Good products.

 

[Leslie]

They tend to do that from time to time in the really posh spas like that. But I think it's because some of them make money on commission, and if they think you're not going to buy it they just want you to leave stuff alone. Even though they have no way of telling if you'll buy it or not. I've even heard of people coming into shops and using their perfume and make up in the morning so that they don't have to buy the product. This is total abuse of the system and if I were a member of the sales staff, I might give them a funny look too.

 

[fawnie]

Oh but it's like crack: the first time you use it *eh* no big deal. But you keep coming back & before you know it BAM! you're hooked! "You know you love that $150 eye serum....just get it.....you look fab, dahling!" (I love cosmetic counters....the really GOOD SA's can charm the pants off ya before you can say charge it! I envy their technique and study it to no end! If I find one I like & she/he gives me loads of samples and lets me try on all the good stuff to my heart's content, I go back to her/him all the time and purchase all my stuff from him/her. At least USED TO, before I became a bag lady in this recesssion.)

 

[Freddy]

This thread is hilarious.

I wonder how collagen tastes with lemon.

 

[2blue]

LOL

Luckily most products use peptides of plant origin (the stuff our body/skin synthesizes protein from, for instance collagen) to boost collagen production in skin. Creme de La Mer feeds the skin with nutrients from seaweed and Strivectin uses something they call matrixyl which is consentrated peptieds also of plant origin. I don't think L'Oreal, Garnier or any of the reasonably priced brands uses any thing of animal origin. One excpetion might be lanolin (purified oil from sheep wool) but that too is not as common as it used to be.

If you want to target dryness I agree with Leslie hyaluronic acid is particularly good. It will instantly moisturize dry skin and lasts all day. Hyaluronic acid is in addition both a anti-oxidant and a participant in the synthesis of collagen.

Oils are of course a must in a cream for dry skin, a blend of rosehip, avocado and shea-butter does in my opinion sound ideal. Any thing that protect the skin aids it's natural functions and procesess will help against dryness and the effects of ageing long term.