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I know there is a Vit C serum thread running, but I've been looking at making other types of serums.

I have a cunning plan afoot to try to copy a facial serum that I bought and tried last year - and which was quite effective.

As far as I can tell, the recipe contains:

Emu Oil
Rosehip Oil
Jojoba Oil
Rose EO
Chamomile EO
Neroli EO
- and probably something else that will remain a trade secret!

Anybody care to hazard a guess as to the likely proportions in the recipe?

And anybody got any other recipes they'd like to share?
 

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On the web there are a couple of sources that sell water soluble ingredients that make a fantastic serum. These include matrixyl (the active ingredient in strivectin), argirilin, hyaluronic acid, ingredients that really target wrinkles and scars. These are peptides extraced from plants.

There are also oil soluble ingredient that are fantastic when used in rose hip oil to make a oil based serum. These include COQ-10 and several anti oxidants, even the idebenon in the Prevage line.

I am really interested in the DIY skin care these days as I have a feeling these result in even more efficient products than the famous brand names. The prices are very affordable too. I promise the cosmetic industry are largely one big deception.
 

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What does matrixyl and argirlin actually do for the skin iv seen matrixyl in serum form but never quite sure what it does as none of the products out there seem to have this product in them, thanks!
 

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Fawnie, yes, I go to EDS from time to time. They are good aren't they? I suppose I should join...


Fawnie, I'm a bit hesitant about posting the name/producer of the serum, because I don't want to get into trouble for trying to copy it. I don't really know what the rights and wrongs of that kind of situation are, you see. Maybe you can tell me?


I'll happily PM you the name, if it would help you to advise me/be of interest to you.
 

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Semayden, yes I understand! If you would PM me I would be interested! What would you say were the benefits you saw using it?'

2blue, thnx! Great info! What sites do you use?



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Semayden, yes I understand! If you would PM me I would be interested! What would you say were the benefits you saw using it?'

2blue, thnx! Great info! What sites do you use?
Fawnie, the great thing about the serum was that it contained Emu Oil!

I used the plain Emu oil for some months, and my husband swears that my skin (particularly on my chest) looked finer. If you google Emu oil, you'll find that one of it's supposed properties is the ability to thicken the dermis...

Anyway, this company does all kinds of Emu (and other) mixes, so I tried a facial serum from there and liked it. When I started re-considering Emu oil again recently after a long gaps of many months, I was also thinking about trying a serum. I thought I would retry this particular Emu style one - and then (because I am currently making my own skincare products) I suddenly thought 'I have some Emu oil already + most of the other things - why not see if I can reproduce it myself!' Hence this thread...


Anyway, I'll PM you the name of the company.


Oh, sorry - I can't PM you yet until I've got 15 posts under my belt. I'll do it then...
 

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Hi Fawnie
I have used Skinactives and Bulkactives, and I think there even are a few others.

IluvNY:
I think there are some evidens that matrixyl and argireline will enhance the growth of collagen / matrix in the skin, the structure that holds it together and make it firm and elastic. The hope is that these ingredients will restore skin elasticity and healing of scars and wrinkles. Together with other ingredients it can really make a difference. Forming of new matrix and collagen in skin involves a lot of factors and commonly used ingredients like hyaluronic acid and CO-Q10 can be major contributors to enhance this process. This is in short what all anti-aging creams and serums go for and how they are promoted, but often the products don't contain the ingredients in a high enough consentraton to work or they contain very few of these interesting ingredients.
 

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Argireline can be thought of as a topical Botox alternative. It actually targets muscles so they won't contract. By not contracting, the wrinkles do not form. Argireline is not known to increase collagen formation. As far as effectiveness is concerned, each ingredient is tested at different levels. For instance, Argireline is effective/tested at 3%. 10% (and a nice complimentary formula) would be more effective. The price would reflect that, of course.

Emu Oil has been thought of to increase the thickness of the skin (or so I have read). It contains Omega 3, 6 and 9. It is an interesting synergy. Supposed to get into the skin rather quickly. Good idea for a breast cream!
 

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Oh, SoapLady, thankyou so much for those site links. The serum one is going to be a real help just now!
 

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Thanks 2blue and jthomaskay things have become far more clear and no not many products seem to have these things in them, may be there is reason for that, but I dunno! However these botox alternatives im not too sure about them personally if they dont do more harm than good!
 

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However these botox alternatives im not too sure about them personally if they dont do more harm than good!

I understand why you might think this. I'm not against these ingredients as I have had experience with the success of Argireline. Understand that Argireline is always going to be temporary due to how it works. Personally, I like the idea of ingredients that are more long term in how they work. I am fond of peptides that work to stimulate collagen production in the skin. And I'm a huge fan of prevention products.

Your skin is going to look (and feel) more moisturized and firm even if it is just a cream without these added ingredients. Of course, these added ingredients very much "add" to skin and tests clearly suggest this. I like to mix it up every three to four months to adapt to the seasons and because the effectiveness of these ingredients tends to hit a point of diminishing returns with the skin.
 

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Well, I knocked up a concoction yesterday. It certainly looks and smells like most serums I've tried.

It vanishes into the skin quickly - which is a serum characteristic IMO. Is it working? Ask me in a month or so...


Here's my recipe:

Emu oil 15mls
Rosehip oil 10mls
Jojoba oil 10mls
Extra Virgin OO 2mls (an accident!)

Chamomile 10 drops
Rose Otto 10 drops
Neroli 15 drops

I mixed the EO's first in a clean, dark, glass bottle - and then added the other oils, shaking gently. Use twice daily on clean skin (shake gently before each use).

Wait several minutes before adding any extra moisturisation...

How does all that sound? Anything I've done wrong/need to improve on?
 

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Well, I knocked up a concoction yesterday. It certainly looks and smells like most serums I've tried.

It vanishes into the skin quickly - which is a serum characteristic IMO. Is it working? Ask me in a month or so...


Here's my recipe:

Emu oil 15mls
Rosehip oil 10mls
Jojoba oil 10mls
Extra Virgin OO 2mls (an accident!)

Chamomile 10 drops
Rose Otto 10 drops
Neroli 15 drops

I mixed the EO's first in a clean, dark, glass bottle - and then added the other oils, shaking gently. Use twice daily on clean skin (shake gently before each use).

Wait several minutes before adding any extra moisturisation...

How does all that sound? Anything I've done wrong/need to improve on?
Yummy!! I really like chamomile, it's a wonderful herb.
Also, Chamomile is good for red, inflamed skin.
It soothes, relaxes and heals. I believe, you have a wonderful facial serum.
 

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Well, I knocked up a concoction yesterday. It certainly looks and smells like most serums I've tried.

It vanishes into the skin quickly - which is a serum characteristic IMO. Is it working? Ask me in a month or so...


Here's my recipe:

Emu oil 15mls
Rosehip oil 10mls
Jojoba oil 10mls
Extra Virgin OO 2mls (an accident!)

Chamomile 10 drops
Rose Otto 10 drops
Neroli 15 drops

I mixed the EO's first in a clean, dark, glass bottle - and then added the other oils, shaking gently. Use twice daily on clean skin (shake gently before each use).

Wait several minutes before adding any extra moisturisation...

How does all that sound? Anything I've done wrong/need to improve on?
It's been awhile since you made this. How is this working out for you? I absolutely love emu oil~! It appears that the EOs might be a bit high. You might drop the EOs to about half.
 

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I think she wanted to say 20mg of olive oil, so it's 55mg of base oils and 35 drops EOs. And camomile doesn't smell much, it has this earthy scent, which calms down any sweet ones. So, it's about right.
 

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I could be wrong, but I thought she made a mistake adding the EVOO so just a bit got in the mix. Of course, if she meant 2 mg (7 oz), then no problem with the drops!

So, assuming she just got a bit in the mix (2ml) I didn't even count the EVOO. The others total a bit over 1 oz (15 ml = .5 oz) and for the face using 10 drops of EOs is about max, but then that's just my opinion and ya know what they say about those!
 
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