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Hiya Ondine

Thanks for getting back to me. Well, I am 4.11, but my weight is a lil big at 53kg. I am also trying to lose the weight. Hmmm, isn't there something a lil stronger than the 4%?? I just wanted to know so that I could have the option of getting it if the 4% didn't work. I havent recieved the 4% just yet. Also I don't want to speed up results or anything since I really only want to go a couple shades lighter, really for my farmers tan, dark knees,elbows and slightly dark legs, which is noticeably about 2 shades darker than my upper body.

I planned to put the cream at forst only for my arms and legs for 2 weeks, then when I notice a difference and the shade starts evening out, I will put it all over my body for a further week just to make eveything even toned and not so cut and paste like.

^^ lol, I hope i'm making sense. I am taking the gluta C pills, I'm going to buy some broad spectrum sunscreen for UVA and UVB, about SPF 30? Also if your in the sun I think the sunscreens meant to be reapplied/topped up as the sun breaks it down over an hour or so, therefore it becomes ineefectibe and should really be topped up. Anyways, its what I plan to do, and sunscreen isn't cheap either...!!! I am so broke! ^^

Thanks for all your help Ondine, also I would still like to know where you got your 10% from, and how much it costs, I only planned to use it in my underarms since I am very self concious about that, and have never worn those vests before. I thought the sun will rarely get a chance to actually do damage in that treated area, plus with sunscreen I really think its ok to use the 10% cream. Was it expensive?? My friend is also very interested.

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Wow, HQ10%?!

I hope everything is working well with it! I was getting scared just using 2% with all the reports of possible side effects and caner and such.
However, people say it's with prolonged usage... I don't plan to use mine for more then a 3-4 weeks, and then where needed, etc.
 

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Hi guys! In one of the posts I made, I wrote that the 10% I bought from the Ontario source was a disturbing muddy mottled colour with a funny texture. The company assured me that this was normal, but intuitively, I was skeptical so I did not use it. There's another safe, reliable USA source for a cream with a 10% HQ concentration, but I haven't tried it yet. It costs 50$ USD + postage for a small jar. Super high concentrations will not necessarily work faster or better. Sometimes, they just overwhelm the skin with too strong ingredients & that is where you see sharp increases in negative effects. If 4% is safe & good, 15% must be better, right? WRONG! As much as we all want fast results (we are an instant gratification culture!), skin lightening is NOT like ordering fast food. You are smarter to proceed slowly & carefully & safely to guarantee a positive outcome.
 

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The above comment is a plug for a product that doesn't work. Please avoid L'maj. Many people here have had very bad experiences with it.
 

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I have a question: Retin-A comes in a very small tube (30g, I think.), how do you evenly spread that over your entire body for a long amount of time? Do you mix it with something like olive oil, or some kind of cream to make a large amount or does that dilute the Retin-A? Same with hydroquinone. Also, which is better to use, the cream or the gel? For both.
 

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The retin A spreads like crazy; a little goes a long way. Mixing equal amounts of HQ with the retin A makes a really spreadable cream to use only ONCE per day (more & the retin A begins really irritating the skin.) These creams are medications; not cosmetics so you cannot fool with them. Retin A must be applied to skin at least 20 mins after washing & drying it. You do NOT use it on moist skin. Ever. Sunscreen becomes a 'thou shalt'. Retin A will also make dead skin shed like mad so you get dryness & flaking. It also increases collagen production & boosts cell regeneration & does lighten. For the dryness you will inevitably get, olive oil is helpful. The gel is best on oily skin but the cream is best on dry skin. I find thast it is so drying that it made no difference for me. Everyone's skin is unique so you must see what works for you.
 

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Oh, okay. So are you squeezing out the Retin-A and the HQ (The NeoStrata) together in a separate container and using it like a cream, or just squeezing the amount you use in your hand? How long does it take you to go through one tube of them? Also, are you using a gel or cream for the Retin-A and NeoStrata? I have Retin-A in my house but surprisingly, I've never used it. Do you think starting with the Retin-A/NeoStrata cream mixture or using the Avon pads first?
 

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As for the Avon pads, once ou are using the Retin A, you don't need them (saving you $35/month!). I squeeze a pea-sized amount of each into my palm, use a finger to blend & then i apply it. This blend is easy to apply & since you only use it once/day at night time, it doesn't interfere with your daily routine too much. During the day, you must use sunscreen; rain or shine. This cannot be overstated.

A few days ago, though, I began using something different (see my mono 20% thread for the details)
 

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I looked up information on the Mono and I'm not sure I want to take that route, since I know I've had a nice experience with hydroquinone, and so has my mother, and I read that Mono kills the melanin or some sort of thing on here. I have no problem with maintaining with HQ. :] What is a reputable source for obtaining HQ? My mother orders from a site online but it's mostly Fair & White they sell.
 

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Hey Ondine,I have a quick question for ya'

Okay well I'm aware that you're currently living in Canada, so its okay if you don't know the answer to my question.

Are products of HQ over 2% allowed to be shipped in the US without a prescription? I read somewhere that only 4% is only allowed but with a prescription-& I read somewhere else (it could have been here) that someone's order was gotten a hold of by customs...& they never got their order.
But anyways sorry for the rambling LOL but do you know anyone in the US who has bought HQ higher than 2%?? (Without a perscription)

Thanks so much!
 

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I really don't know about the US laws re HQ over 2%. Sorry! My source IS in the US, though.
 

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Ondine,

I haven't even recieved my HQ 4% and Retin A 0.1%... I know its not your problem, but that is why I feel as if my treatment is being delayed, and am looking at higher concentrations of HQ. The company needs to restock they said. BTW, I had read that 2% HQ was pretty ineffective foe most, and you'd have to wait like years b4 noticing anything, therefore I naturally thought since people are using 10 and 20 % HQ without side effects and really positive results, why don't I try for myself?? Is there any harm in trying to get some higher strength HQ if used according to the instructions carefully??

I am 23 years old, and a very responsible adult, and in fact I am a biomedical scientist and as part of my degree course had studied the skin and its cycle. I know what I'm doing, and I have also researched skin lightening, had stayed away from HQ, and had only used herbal stuff and kojic acid as an alternative. It didn't work, I tried many others. It didn't work, so can you please realise my frustration??

I'm not trying to be *****y... but I hope you can understand that I am trying to lighten my skin, and am searching for a source that can provide me with higher HQ concentrations. I thought that since you already knew you would be willing to and kind enough to share the information...

I already bought sun block, spf50 with UVA and UVB filters. I had also ordered Nadinola extra strength which is about 3% HQ, and you get like 67ml, so thats like twice as much... it was a lil cheaper also from my source... I was hoping that way I would save a lil bit of money as the cream would last longer...

Are there no sources where you can get a higher HQ concentration but its not ridiculously expensive??

Thank you for any replies and help.

Mia
 

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Actually, I've recently switched to ono 20% (about 1 week or so). The source I sent you for the HQ4% & the tretinoin has proven 100% reliable for me. If they say they're restocking, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. The source I had for the 10%HQ sent me a product that didn't look, feel or smell right They also sell mono but that didn't seem quite right either so I found another source for the mono. I know a source in the US that sells a cream with 10% HQ for about $50 USD + shipping. MiaMia, if you want this source, pm me & I'll gladly share it.

As for how long a tube lasted me, I began mixing equal amts of both the HQ & the tretinoin. This made a very effective & spreadable cream that went a long way. You really do not need to plaster it on. With the mono, I apply it to damp skin so it too spreads like mad. I am getting results that I'm happy with. That being said, I do not plan on using any higher concentration beyond 20% mono (whose effectiveness is well documented & safe if not abused).
 

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Ondine, I am new and also cannot pm, I have used FF in the past and have got good results but too expensive to use on the restof my body. COuld you please pm me with your source or is the source that the young lady monetioned at the beginning of the thread reputable also?
Thanks again
 

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Actually, I've recently switched to ono 20% (about 1 week or so). The source I sent you for the HQ4% & the tretinoin has proven 100% reliable for me. If they say they're restocking, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. The source I had for the 10%HQ sent me a product that didn't look, feel or smell right They also sell mono but that didn't seem quite right either so I found another source for the mono. I know a source in the US that sells a cream with 10% HQ for about $50 USD + shipping. MiaMia, if you want this source, pm me & I'll gladly share it.

As for how long a tube lasted me, I began mixing equal amts of both the HQ & the tretinoin. This made a very effective & spreadable cream that went a long way. You really do not need to plaster it on. With the mono, I apply it to damp skin so it too spreads like mad. I am getting results that I'm happy with. That being said, I do not plan on using any higher concentration beyond 20% mono (whose effectiveness is well documented & safe if not abused).
What is this "ono" you speak of?
 

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Hi Ondine,

I was discussing the Monobenzone cream as well with my family, and I was hoping you would answer a few questions about it. Question 1: Does monobenzone only effect the areas on which it is applied, i.e just elbow = just elbow lightened??

Question 2: if the use of the cream is discontinued, will you still see skin lightening further even after discontinued use. (As the upper mature darker layers of the skin exfoliate, and since the monobenzone permamnently prevents the melanocytes from producing the pigment melanin, surely those cells effected in the deeper layers will no longer produce melanin, therefore the skin will just continue lightening over time even after discontinued use??

Ondine, I would love to PM, but I haven't posted enough to be able to do that just yet. So, plz plz plz, could you PM me that reliable source for the higher concentration of HQ?

Also I intend to research a little bit more on monobenzone, but I am actually both interested in using it, but at the same time reluctant to try it. But the idea of permamnent lightening does appeal to me, but I think I am going to stick with HQ and research further about mono until I am confident in knowing how to manipulate its use to produce my desired lightening... there is such a thing as too light, and I still want pigment in my skin, I like that youthful yellowy glow, not pale dull skin. I'm going for an oriental skin even though I'm from an indian origin.

Oh, also just to update: I have been taking the Gluta C pills for 1 week, and 3 pills per day evenly spread out in conjunction with the glutathione cream. I must say, my skin is very bright, like a healthy glow and complexion, I compared my skin which is quite fair with my brothers, and although he is fairer/ paler, my skin looked healthier with a glow, yellowy/summery glow.

A glow is a glow, but light skin is light skin... So I don't recommend ppl to get Gluta C stuff unless you just want a healthy glow, it is suppose to be good for the immune system, but its very very pricey and not something which I will purchase again I dont think, and in fact will now reduce my intake of Gluta C pills to just 1 per day incase of any damage to my internal organs... and after a month will just take 1 every other day to try and make it last a bit longer...the cream is more like a healing cream, I did notice theres a slight healing/evening out of darker pimple scars I had on my upper arms. So not quite overall lightening, but lightens scars a bit.

Thanks everyone

MiaMia
 

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The thought of pills scares the crap out of me. Check Google Scholar & search the subject of these pills. there isn't a shred of documented scientific evidence that they work, are safe & do not do long term damage. Please do not take pills when there are creams out there that have been tested & scientifically verified.I can share with you what my research has unearthed about mono, but I am NOT a medical professional. Then again, many Dr's don't know anything about skin bleaching. Specialists in Vitiligo are the most informed & so are many Dr's from Asian countries where there isn't the same 'stigma' against skin lightening as it has a long cultural history in many parts of Asia.

From what I know about mono 20% (NEVER use a higher concentration than this! Higer concentrations have industrial NOT medicinal uses).

-People get uneven lightening by trying to rub the dry chalky stuff (it doesnt spread well) onto DRY skin: you need to use it on WET (not sopping wet, but moist) skin. Then, it spreads fantastically.

- As for discontinuing use, that depends on how long you used it in the first place. If you use it for a couple of weeks then stop, you'll see minimal results & they won't be permanent (like with HQ). This is a longterm committment & you must use it correctly, avoid the sun & use sunscreen like a religion! After 4-6 months, results are permanent for most people. After results are achieved, you need only use mono perhaps once or 2x/week. Some people do not use it at all after that (making it initially costly BUT much cheaper that HQ in the long run).

-You have to be patient with skin lightening & resist the urge to try to force faster results (like smearing it on 4x/day). People who do this sort of thing (or use many lightening products at a time) are the ones who get damage.

- I am 1 week into mono 20% (after approx 2 1/2 months of HQ4% & Tretinoin 0.1% which was working nicely too BUT with non permanent results). The mono definitely is working (NOT from the Ontario source) & my skin is glowing with a yellow undertone. I use it 2x/day on my body (darker thicker skin) & 1x/day on my face (lightens faster). I'd rather go more slowl & look naturally light in the end than uneven! As to how far I'll go, I haven't decided.

-If you just want to lighten first elbows, knuckles, heels etc to be even THEN lighten overall, begin using the HQ from thesource I'll send you. Once you are even toned, then you can decide whether or not to go with mono for more dramatic lightening. It is a slow process if you want to do it safely.

Hope this helps you!
 
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