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Leona, your message made me feel so sad. Remember you see your patches as much worse than they probably are. I have found that looking in a mirror and seeing photos makes patches look so much worse.A friend said mine look much lighter than they do in the mirror!
As for Pigmanorm, give it a go. It has changed my life. I'm much more confident now, I just have to be really careful... No sun or sun block! During the treatment I felt pretty scared as patches looked worse for a short while and my skin was sore and peeled a bit but quite quickly you'll learn how to use it and what your skin can tolerate and hopefully after a few weeks you'll feel so much better. In the mean time there's special cover up make you can get... Ask your GP. Good Luck. Keep positive and I'm sure you're NOT ugly. Take care. Catherine. x .
Can you share if these results are permanent. I mean if you stop using this cream....Does melasma come back. I also have melasma on my face. Thanks
 

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Thank you Neelofur, i would much appreiciate if you could post it to me. My address is 13 Church Road, Isleworth, Middx TW7 4PR. I can even pay what it cost you.

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Hi Misbah Musa

i have just read your message and i m going to send u today this cream . i hope u get it soon and let me know that u recieved it it is very good my face has got really nice and my skin looks really good and smooth. I think u know how to use it because this forum help me alot about using it correctly.ok bye i will be waiting for your reply.
 

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I found it harsh to my skin, started to notice fading after about 6 wks but as soon as i stopped using it it return. I have used it on 2 different occasions and i will never use it again.
 

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Hi All

Im new to this Forum,

Want to share all my exp with you!!!!!

I suffer from melasma ( white skin pale). Stopped birth controle ages ago!! Still get it!! BADLY!!

I use Clinque even better - Really helps, cons is its expenive and it takes a while but it also helsp with ACNE GUYS!!! The super antioxidants in it helps... just make sure to put a moist OVER it when you use it, can use DAY and Night!!

Also, I use Vinchy Face wash GEL, ( green ones for acne) Super face, really is!!!

I use a Retin A gell for my pimples ( can get on perscription from nhs) and LASTS a lifetime!! Get a big tube!

I use Maybaline Mineral Liquad foundation with Rimmel Stay matte coverstick, NATURAL COLLECTION blusher as well as Miss Sporty Coverstick!. This is all good products for acne , blemish prone skin.( im always on the prowl for better) And these wont cost you that much either.

Meladerm doesnt work for melasma, gave me breakouts???

Tell you what DOES WORK FOR MELASMA... LUSTRA AF....!!!! Stinks but it works! It comes in a 20spf included in it so if your on any Retinol produckts.... its good, like accutane,,,, then Lustra would do a good job. ( also tried and tested) :).. but the problem is Melasma alsways returns!!!!!

I also use ( AND THIS IS MY OWN SECRET INVENTION!!) ST. IVES Facial scrub Mixed with Scholl foot scrub!!!! Yes Scholl Foot scrub...mix them in your hadn togheter and feel how good and clean your face feels afterwards... because my skin is rough I wanted something that really works and there is no 'rough scrubs' available on the shelf so Ive mixed products up a little... Please test first to see if its OK for your skin... I got super sensitive skin and it works for me, really POLISHES the skin off nicely!!

My next drastic move is.....TCA peel - Deep ...and if that fails Fraxel laser!! Normal CO2 lasers makes it worse app???

Oh and last but not least!!! I use a oral Super Antioxidant supp, dont know if it works but Im sure it cant do any harm!!!

Cheers
 

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Oh just another bit of info ( again... if it helps anyone out there then it was worth posting ATLEAST!!!) I got so much help in the past from people posting their product info that I believe its the RIGHT KIND THING TO DO!!!..

MEDIK8 - LOOK FOR , C E TRETAN SERUM (READ WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT IT... NOT YOUR AVARAGE AROUND THE MILL KINDA VIT C SERUM...

AND ALSO THEIR MOISTURISER HYPER BETA (BIO ACTIVE MOIST) AND BLUE ANTIOXIDANT SERUM FOR OILY SKIN.

They ARE PRICED YES, but suppose to be super good and Im going to try a few out as off this month!!

Good luck all

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hello, i've used pigmanorm for PIH and after 3 weeks i stoped my skin was clear then it came back so i continued, from what i read it's the trio kligmann formula it's harsh on skin however if that don't work u still have laser or tca peels, if u have fairskin, which i don't. I am still on pigmanorm, my derm says it's ok to use it max 3 months, even when after 3 weeks when your skin looks clear u have to continue to use it at least 3 times a week for at least 7 weeks with a good sunscreen or sunblock when u go outside, every single day even when its cloudy. I have been re-using it for 2 weeks and my skin is clear still have to keep using it till week 7 after that i rather use locacid or retin-a alone for 6 month to maintain my resulst. Hope it works. And i use a very greasy cream at daytime (dermalibour from a-derma).
 

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Hi I've have suffered with this really annoying and soul destroying condition for bout 5 yrs now tryed so many different things to get rid of it !! On pigmanorm now been using on and off for bout 3 months (just cos the peeling looks vile under make up) but recently started using it nearly every day really determined to give it a real chance this time I'm glad to see some of u have seen real results cos I think ppl lose faith I read something on the net about a 60 yr old having it and I thought........ Oh brilliant !! It does run ur life if u let it when I get down about it I feel like I'm the only person in the world (even though I know I'm not ) think to get help u really need to come across to ur doctors that ur a complete nut case cos of what this condition has done to u until I done that by writing a letter to my doctor telling thought bout killing myself (witch I lied about ) they wasn't at all interested cos they don't understand it's really frustrating even been referred to a shrink lol (I'm not crazy honest ) but u need to lay it on thick for ppl to start helping u or they pass u from person to person think the hormone check is a very good idea I was gonna ask my doctor the other day but completely forgot as this is the cause for most ppl and were trying to deal with the aftermath I'm sat here now with a massive red face as I speak lol I find sudo cream massaged in seems to make it look better cos hyper pigmentation feels slightly rougher then normal skin sometimes I massage it in and leave it on over night I'm glad I found this forum cos its nice to speak to ppl who are gong though the same and who understand instead of some perfect skined person who doesn't care in in England in the south and I can only get this cream off my dermatologist and have to pick up prescription from hospital xxxx
 

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Sorry you are suffering Sassygirl but lying to your doctors and taking psychiatrist time away from people who have genuine mental illness is not the solution. When people are clinically depressed they focus or dwell upon aspects of their life that are not going so well, so your fake 'depression' will not make the NHS take your melasma more seriously. Referring to people with depression or other disorders of mental health as 'crazy' or 'nut cases' is prejudiced and offensive, I really hope you or a loved one never experiences the hell that clinical depression can be. Michael Jackson had vitiligo so would have used a depigmenting agent. By depigmenting I mean ALL the melanin can be removed, to the point of being effectively an albino. The result can also be patchy, worse than melasma: the depigmenting is permanent and of course the user is at higher risk of sun damage and skin cancer.

I don't really understand why you are complaining on the one hand about the NHS not taking you seriously, then on the other moaning about having to collect your prescription from your dermatologist's place of work. Certain drugs are deemed too high risk to be prescribed by General Practitioners, and must only be supplied by a hospital consultant for your patient's own safety. We are extremely lucky in the UK to have a not-for-profit health service that is free to all at the point of contact, this is so comprehensive that the NHS is actually the largest employer in Europe! Most medical professionals DO care but it is exhausting working long hours, having a new customer every ten minutes, striving to get it right first time every time. Doctors are not all "perfect skinned" as you claim many have dermatological conditions or have close relatives with skin complaints but they also have patients who are dying or at high risk on their books. Speaking as someone who has seen the NHS from both sides, the majority of money and time is spent dealing with lifestyle diseases - things that patients could prevent or treat through stopping smoking, eating according to the guidelines, being consistently physically active and maintaining a healthy weight. If we all took more responsibility for our own health, non life threatening conditions like melasma would be better researched and better resourced.


May I add too if Michael Jackson can go from African American skin tone to completely white there's gotta be something out there for us surely ??? Xxx
 

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Id just like to say that my last thread may have come across wrong I do apologise I just know ppl feel helpless when it comes to this I know it's not life threatening or whatever but it is something that give ppl low self esteem when I said I wrote a letter saying I wanted to kill myself but I was lying I ment I do think about it but I never would actually do it ! And I wasn't moaning about picking up my prescription i wrote that cos ppl on here had been asking where they can get pigmanorm Iam really grateful to the nhs in the uk but it actually took me for yrs of seeing doctor after doctor to be referred to the dermatologist and yes I do get really depressed about it and have been signed of work quite a few times cos I just can't deal with it I mean u gotta understand it from my point of view I've had this for yrs now and wasted hundreds and hundreds of pounds on creams and treatments that doctors have recommended ( b4 finally being referred to dermatologist ) ppl don't understand that it effects pols lives the face is always on show to the world u can't cover it with a t shirt or whatever can u imagin having to get up 2 hours earlier in the morning just to try and cover it up with make up just for someone to comment oh u wow wear loads of make up .......yeah thanks !! Do u know how worrying it is to meet a potential bf with this on ur face it's like ur hiding a secret cos u feel like I've gotta make them fall in love with the perfect picture of u then be like ohhh surprise this is what I really look like I constant worry and obsess about it I always wonder what ppl think everyday ! Cos I know quite a few ppl can be shallow and ignorant to ppl with skin issues cos they don't understand and no I wouldn't see a physiatrist cos I don't want to waste there time and prefent ppl from seeing them who really need it cos I fee that after my hour session I'm gonna walk out of there look in the mirror and I'm back to square one so I hope u can see I wasn't meaning to have a dig I'm just trying to share my experience with ppl not understanding xxx
 

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I would carry on I know the redness is a pain and the shedding of skin can be quite annoying but I think it will be worth it also take msm there suppliments i ordered mine off eBay also I watched a vid on u tube of a black girl who had hyperpigmentation from acne and she done a b4 and after video and it was all gone and she had it really bad not only on her face but all on her neck and all she used to get rid of hers was to use an exfoliant twice a day everyday for a year I couldn't believe it !!! So thats what I also do now I use pigmanorm once or twice a week and exfoliate twice a day take msm to keep it at bay and use sun screen of course but remember don't over scrub !!!! St Ives apricot scrub is the best exfoliant I find and buys doing this my pigmentation has started to lighten and break up and my normal skin is coming though !! So stick with it apparently it takes longer for darker skinned ppl for it to fade with exfoliant then it does with white ppl so also take that into consideration hope I've been helpful to u but I can honestly say mine is getting a lot better !!! Xxx
 

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Hi... I have melasma too. I saw a dermatologist privately and he prescribed me Pigmanorm cream. It was not available on regular prescription, and I have had to pay £58 for the cream which is a lot, but worth it!! I had previously tried cranberry powder, celery seed capsules (Chinese medicine suggests that anything around the eyes is linked to poor kidney function)... I had tried coming off the pill (melasma is related to hormone changes) and MONTHS of laser therapy, with very mild success... [FONT=&quot][/FONT] This 'magic' cream has a skin bleaching agent in it, and a steroid... It made the skin go red (very red) and hot (like sun burn), then the skin goes shiny, and finally it peels (like sun burn)... You can use it for upto 3 months... It's painful, sore and unsightly during treatment...[FONT=&quot][/FONT] [FONT=&quot][/FONT] I have to apply it at night when I go to bed, and in the morning on the 2nd day, little bits of the skin were rubbing away... By the mid afternoon, I look like I've spent a week crying my eyes out, but honestly-it's worth the results!![FONT=&quot][/FONT] [FONT=&quot][/FONT] It's not completely gone (yet) but its only been a week and a half...[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT] The hospital pharmacy didn't carry the cream in stock-it had to be ordered from Germany. I cannot believe how quickly it's working.[FONT=&quot][/FONT] [FONT=&quot][/FONT] Dermatologist said laser isn't the best treatment as melasma goes to the lower dermal layers, and laser only works on the upper ones... Good news is, that because this is triggered by a hormonal change (I imagine mine was stress induced from the timing), once it's gone-it should be cured
 

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Hi emlustri,

I am new to this forum and just wanted to start a comment here by saying you look fantastic in the after pic! I can't even see that it hasn't yet completely gone like you said. Your melasma looks like it wasn't too dark at all to begin with. Your before picture looks like my after picture. Can I ask what percentage of hydroquinone is in your pigmanorm? I'm about to start using hydroquinone for the first time but mine is 2% hydroquinone content. I'm a bit scared, I'm just waiting to make the first leap and try it. I'm apprehensive about the side effects. Also I was just wondering what type of laser you had? I'm a bit confused about everything, I thought that lasers were for deeper melasma for example the q-switch laser which is used for tattoo removal since tattoos are in the dermal layer, q-switch lasers are also used for melasma treatment in the dermal layer because they break up the pigment into tiny pieces which is then carried away by the body. Epidermal layers are the ones that shed skin cells but dermal layers don't shed. I was just thinking can creams really penetrate into the dermal layer? Did you have wood's lamp examination to determine if your melasma is epidermal or dermal? Since yours looks quite light and brown whereas dermal melasma is usually a darker colour with a more bluish/grey tint?

Anyway it seems like it is working for you :)
 

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Hi emlustri

Wow you look great! This gives me hope :)

My melasma looks similar to yours, not under my eyes but to the sides of my temples and in the middle of my forehead, but the colour is similar to yours. I have not been to a dermatologist but from the comments on this forum I hope the colour indicates mine is epidermal.

I have a few questions for you:

During the week and a half of treatment were you able to cover the skin with makeup? Could you go to work/out/see people?! Or did you have to hide away?!!

Did you go back on the pill? If so did you see any change in your skin?

Are you in London by any chance and have a good dermatologist recommendation?

Thank you for posting the pictures - so helpful to people here!
 

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Hi emlustri

Wow you look great! This gives me hope :)

My melasma looks similar to yours, not under my eyes but to the sides of my temples and in the middle of my forehead, but the colour is similar to yours. I have not been to a dermatologist but from the comments on this forum I hope the colour indicates mine is epidermal.

I have a few questions for you:

During the week and a half of treatment were you able to cover the skin with makeup? Could you go to work/out/see people?! Or did you have to hide away?!!

Did you go back on the pill? If so did you see any change in your skin?

Are you in London by any chance and have a good dermatologist recommendation?

Thank you for posting the pictures - so helpful to people here!
Hi Marzipan,

I live in London and made the mistake of going to a skin clinic in Harley Street that specialises in skin problems. I was treated there by a Dr and a 'skin specialist'. I was under the impression that Harley Street was reputable and the best place to go, I thought everyone in Harley Street had to be a professional. I am by no means saying that all places in Harley Street are bad but there are some big money sharks lurking in there. They appeared very professional at first but you really need to dig deep and do research, he was a qualified Dr on the GMC website but he isn't on the specialist register. You need to think are these people a 'business' trying to make as much money out of you as they can? I'd try somewhere like a private hospital rather than a small private clinic which is what i've done now. Ask for a skin analysis under a 'wood's lamp' or a 'Visia' to determine how deep your problem lies as you might be wasting money with a treatment that only works for epidermal melasma. I went to see a dermatologist on the NHS before I went to Harley St and he didn't offer me this. With any treatment you have whether it be for epidermal or dermal you risk making your skin worse by getting unnecessary post inflammatory hyperpigmentation, i.e a cream that irritates your skin and makes it red can (but not always) eventually turn from red to brown pigmentation, so you don't want to risk things unnecessarily. As you say you think your melasma is epidermal, just make sure you get a proper diagnoses. Look for a dermatologist at a hospital and look for letters behind his name such as MBBCH MD FRCP. Go onto the GMC website and check that not only is he/she on there but that it also states whether they are on the specialist register. Check what type of skin problems they are specialist in. I wish somebody had given me this information as I never knew what to look for in looking for a dermatologist and I've gone round in circles. Get referred to a dermatologist on NHS by your GP as it's free and see what that dermatologist has to say then if you are not happy then go private but be prepared to pay anything from £100- £250 for a 1/2 hour consultation.

I think that one of the most important pieces of advise I can give you is sun protection which you probably are aware of and that melasma is triggered by hormones and sunlight, but also another important piece of advice is that creams such as Pigmanorm which contain Hydroquinone are photosensitive so can darken your skin further when exposed to sunlight.

In the summer I was working at the Olympics outside( I wasn't even using any hydroquinone or any other treatment on my skin at the time), anyway, I was wearing spf 50+ , I thought I'd be okay if I had on the highest factor, it was one of those ones that were advertised as being superb because they were clear and didn't look thick and white, so I thought it was great. What I didn't realise at the time was that it didn't contain both titanium dioxide and zinc oxide as ingredients which are vital if you have melasma, as they act as a physical block reflecting the rays whereas the one I was using despite being factor 50+ without those ingredients the suns rays are absorbed into the top layers of your skin, yes the cream stopped me from burning but my melasma got darker. Also remember to wear sunscreen indoors too because on a sunny day even in winter uv rays can penetrate through windows.

I hope this is of some help to you.
 

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Hi there, Sorry I am so late replying to those of you who asked questions! @Pomegranate, I think mine was 2% too. I'm out at the moment, but will check later. If its not I'll repost with what it was... I didn't have any lamp treatment, but my dermatologist told me it was in the lower dermal layers. The cream has a bleaching agent in it which is what penetrates as far as I am aware. The Lazer treatment I had was Ellipse treatment at The Lazer Clinic. Very marginal results-but nothing overly noticeable. Also I did stick to the areas of melisma and didn't sweep it over my whole face, and the picture was taken after 2 clear days without the cream-so I wasn't wearing it in this picture. I suffered a lot with soreness, but the dermatologist advise that I take a 24-48 hour break if it became too much. @Marzipan, I could not put regular make up on it.. You're not supposed to as it stings and isn't good for the raw skin. That said, you can use pure mineral make ups... Bare Minerals and Glo Minerals. I recommend the Glo Minerals camouflage it's a lovely creamy texture and has good coverage. There was no hiding it fully though and I just had to explain to people when they asked if I was ok (I looked tear stained) that I was having a skin treatment that was causing my skin to peel. I did go back on the mini pill (as its better-lower hormone levels in it) and did notice it come back ever so slightly, but not much. I now use sun block on that patch every day, even on dull days and its faded again over time (either that or the rest of my skin has tanned and that hasn't) I saw Dr. Cliff at Gatwick Park (private) hospital: http://www.spirehealthcare.com/gatwickpark/our-services/skin-clinic/ I hope this all helps!
 

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Hi all,

I have been using Pigmanorm on my neck for the past couple of years, it was prescribed by the Dermatologist from Harley Street London, The area went red and rather itcy at times, but has definately faded, however now the area seems to be getting bigger :( although I am really carefull to keep the cream on the area. has anyone else experienced this ? Do you think I should stop ?
Any help advise much apprecaited.

Thanks
 
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