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Michael Jackson has now confirmed he has pretty serious skin cancer. Since he allegedly suffers vitiglio and almost undoubtedly became his idea of a white woman before trying to go back to being a man when he was being tried as a paedophile, I think it is safe to say he has used excessive amounts of hydroquinone. I mention this only because there have been studies that link hydroquinone to cancer and I believe Michael Jackson may well be the only human example of this considering by race and lack of sun exposure he has had few other risk factors. I do believe that this should be a bit of a warning to those who want to whiten too much.

I think the moral for us all (me too) is that if you are white--stop tanning and trying to be black or darker
and if you are dark, maybe you need to try and be happy with that too. I do think in both instances moderation is acceptable.
 

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I heard about this too Lexi. Firstly, we don't know that he developed skin cancer from the HQ. There isn't a single recorded case of a human being ever developping any form of cancer from HQ. Even amongst those extreme users in Africa mixing the hq with bleach. Not one. Theoretically, large amts of HQ could allegedly cause liver cancer in mice. No link between skin cancer & skin cancer has ever been reported.

As for MJ, his case is a tragic tale in every regard. His plastic surgeon ought to be tarred & feathered! My older brother has vitiligo . It began as a little white spot near the top of his forehead. In 2 yrs flat, it has devastated his face making him mostly stark white with some uneven brown patches. Besides vitiligo, though, MJ had a hosy of other ...issues...& god only knows what else he was taking (anti-anxiety meds, drugs, who knows?). Please do not leap to the assumption that lightening caused this. The research says otherwise. Thousands of whites develop skin cancer annually from tanning. Even if, by some rare fluke, MJ developed cancer from the HQ; he'd go down in history as the sole recorded case. The revealing info here is that dark people CAN lighten with relative safety BUT whites ought to avoid the sun & those tanning beds & lamps.
 

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Yeah, I agree with u lexi. Moderation is key! Using extremely high conc of HQ is dangerous and destroying pigment will probably lead to skin cancer like in his case.
 

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The idea that HQ causes cancer was acutally based on research on mice that were subjected to 200 times the dosage a normal human being would be exposed to though the course of the administration of the product. As Ondine said, there is yet to be a human case caused by HQ.

MJ had skin issues well before he abused HQ.
 

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The idea that HQ causes cancer was acutally based on research on mice that were subjected to 200 times the dosage a normal human being would be exposed to though the course of the administration of the product. As Ondine said, there is yet to be a human case caused by HQ.

MJ had skin issues well before he abused HQ.
Yeah - I agree. MJ was surely on a whole bunch of other medications in addition to the HQ, so you've got chemicals interacting with chemicals interacting with chemicals. All this can only mess up the normal processes of the body. He is a walking disaster in more ways than one.
 

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Well I do agree with you all which is why I stated, " Michael Jackson may well be the only human example of this considering by race and lack of sun exposure he has had few other risk factors."

My point was just moderation in everything we do. We naturally do not have his medical history but to turn into a white woman (almost) from head to toe would conceivably take a lot of HQ and if you look at the extent of his body dysmorphia and the lengths and extremes he has gone to, we can conceivably be looking at a 200 Xer on the HQ here (which is in line with the mice studies!). This was really my point that he is extreme in all he does and this may actually be the first case we see that correlates with the studies that were done in labs on mice. Just look at how far he went with his nose?!
 

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You are correct about that nose of his! It doesn't even resemble a nose at all! What I found bizarre was to feminize all his features then get that big comic book super-hero jaw & chin. Plastic surgery, however extreme & even gender reassignment surgery where a person literally alters their body into that of the opposite sex does NOT cause cancer. With MJ, accountability has to be shared with the doctors who helped him do this to himself. 5 mins listening to him speak clearly reveals that he is a few bananas short of a fruit salad. He is in need of psychiatric (not just a psychologist) attention from a TEAM of specialists.

As for his skin, he does have vitiligo. I have seen unretouched concert photos of MJ where the characteristic blotches were plainly apparent. Once a person has 50% depigmenting from the disease, mono 20% (no higher than 20%) can be prescribed to even the skin by depigmenting the dark areas. THis is what MJ did. When his ranch was searched during his legal debacle, they found semi used tubes on HQ4%. No extreme doses were found. Since that time, who's to say whether he too got ahold of some photography grade 100%HQ, poured it into a chlorinated swimming pool & did the nude back-stroke in it 3 times/day for a decade? This man is wealthy enough to obtain whatever he wanted even if his doctors warned him against it.

My older brother's vitiligo has devastated his face, rendering him disfigured in a very short time. apparently, those with autoimmune disorders (I have one) & with diabetes are more likely to develop vitiligo. My older brother developped very severe juvenile diabetes at age 49. This is so rare that the hospital is studying his case & he's in medical books. The vitiligo began as a small blotch atop his forehead. In a heart beat he began looking like a tall bottle of chocolate milk that someone was sipping the liquid from. His face is alsmost completely white. The devastating & humiliating consequences of this disease are terrible. People can't help but stare. Aside from MJ's other 'issues'. Vitilgo was probably the last straw. This was not a strong stable person who could cope well. Add to that being followed & set upon by cameras wherever he went didn't help. I hope they are able to treat & cure him readily & I hope he gets the psych care he so badly seems to need.
 

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Ondine--he set out, in my opinion, to look like Diana Ross. Then they fell out and he went in all different directions. I never allege that his plastic surgery caused cancer, I just meant to highlight that he goes to extremes to deal with his body dysmorphic disorder (that is what I would say he suffers from diagnostically though there are other underlying disorders). I just wonder if someone willing to do that to their nose would not be willing to go as extreme with HQ--which was my original point that he is a case study as to something that we ethically cannot do; namely give a human equivalent excessive doses as we do lab mice.

In either event I do not think he is long for this world now, he seems to have a foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

As for the jaw, if I am not mistaking he masculinised his face when he started having the paedophile issues. I personally do think he is a paedophile but I have my theories as to his motives and the causes of his paedophilia which I think differs from the paedos who abduct and murder. In any event I think the sickest thing is that the US officials have allowed him to keep his children. Even if there was NO paedophilia the fact is he does not offer them anything near a normal life and what he is doing to them is criminal.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly with you, Lexi. I think he's on his way out. As for one of those children (the boy) I do not believe for a second that the Maculay culkin look alike IS his child. For a man as genetically black as he is to produce a platinum blonde white child with pin straight hair is exceedingly rare. It happens, but not often.

I'd bet he DID use photo grade HQ against medical advice or some crazy thing. He did look like Miz Ross for a while there. But, then again, she too has greatly altered herself from the young very dark woman she was. I find he looks more like Liz Taylor when she was 45ish (or a little like Liza Minelli ). I seriously wonder about a surgeon who'd agree to do this to someone money notwithstanding. Who would want someone in MJ's state going around saying "Dr. X did my face."
You'd think that after the 2nd nose job that no self-respecting Dr. would touch him!

He retained custody due to his wealth. A poorer defendant would've lost those kids. I wonder who is caring for them now that MJ has moved to Bahrain (or is it Dubai?). Imagine being wisked off to so e place you can't even pronounce correctly as a small child with MJ?
. I bet some tragic tales will be told by his kids (like OJ's kids) one day.
 

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Ondine I could not agree more! He is freaky and I think he only got the children because of his money. The boy is very good looking and never could be Michael Jackson's son. I have yet to see the others faces but I would imagine he "bred them" to be attractive and worry whether he has sexually abused the boys (I know he does not abuse the girl as he has a preference for boys).

I thought it was Bahrain but did he not get thrown out of there recently?

OJ's kids are really in a bad place. Justin is gorgeos now and Sidney is absolutely beautiful (mixed children always are) but the burden they must have in their lives is just so much more than anyone can imagine. Can you just imagine having a father who you grew up in his home and he most likely killed your mother (I say most likely just as there must have been some doubt in their minds as a defense mechanism--not that I believe for a second he is innocent!). Chilrend are not commodoties I think celebrities, by and large, should be banned from having them and certainly adopting. Ricky Martin on the other hand is showing great parenting skills, he had two babies via a surrogate and then disappeared to take care of them and give them a normal life out of the spotlight.
 

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Weird but true. I really wonder about the surgeons who took his money & did this.
 

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I do not think they cared! Everyone jumps through hoops when you have the money. Plastic Surgeons are not so highly respected for the most part in the medical world, they are known for their unscrupulous greed though that is a generalisation and many do amazing work and volunteer to help the deformed and seriously injured around the world. Michael Jackson is a very public example but do you know how many people a year undergo procedures despite being mentally ill and suffering a psychiatric disorder called body dysmorphic disorder which can be easily treated by a psychiatrist and SSRIs! It is so sad!
 

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So true; like that 'cat lady' (wilderstein???) or Joan Rivers: her eyes are almost vertical. Spmeone *****ed Paris Hilton's nose too: she's looking like 'Squidward' (from Spongebob Squarepants) lately. There have been weird celeb boob jobs too (soccer balls, tennis balls,,,even a few hockey pucks!) Makes a person think twice!
 

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OMG I saw that Bride of Wildenstein on tv the other day on TMZ! SCAAARRRRY! Paris always looked awful I never got it and yes there was a before and after of her nose job on the internet. Plastic surgery is not a perfect science, it is a fallible art even in the hands of the best!
 

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So true. Sometimes the client is clueless too & is relentlessly pursuing some vague shifting ideal that cannot be achieved. These people will go to a hundred surgeons until they find one who is willing to operate. Wildenstein was a cute young woman before who needed no work! I don't even know what she looks like now. Certainly not my cat...she looks almost like a body that was fished out of a river: that weird bloated face...
Could play a corpse on CSI!
 

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Ondine it is so true! I have gone for plastic surgery consults about my scarring from my accident (I had a very bad accident in Thailand on a motorcycle and basically came off the motorcycle and was left with bad scarring under my jaw and some small scars on my face and a broken jaw bone in 6 places). The surgeons always started by looking at the area suggesting some manners of improving the scarring then went on to compliment me on how I looked but then sneak in some subtle things that they "would consider". Usually not at all related to what I was there for and often completely just an up-sell! Like why would I want a breast reduction when I was there for scar improvement?

The problem is that people who seek out plastic surgeons are either insecure about something or are very look-conscious people like us all here and if you are not educated on plastic surgery it is easy to get caught up in the excitement and then you feel like this surgeon must know best so if they suggest something then it will improve you.

I think people like Jocelyn Wildenstein start with good intentions and when things go wrong they just go overboard and create the freak as a defense mechanism to beat people to the criticism punch so to speak. It is so sad!
 

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It is sad 7 in her case it must've been cost prohibitive. Can you imagine how much all that has costed her over the years?
 

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Money is not an issue for her! That said I cannot imagine what these people think like MJ and Jocelyn Wildenstein, they must look in the mirror and cry when they are alone. They will NEVER again live a normal life and they were not victims of a freak accident, burn or anything else but victims of themselves and plastic surgeons.
 
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