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We all have different goals here (whether it is just to tone and even skin out, remove permatans, get a bit lighter or drastically lighter). However, no one wants that "bleacher" look (ie. Sammy Sosa).

Please use this thread to list some of the obvious signs of bleaching and how to avoid them.

A few off the top of my head:

Awkwardly uneven tone. For example a bright face but dark neck, ears, perimeter of hair line. This can easily be avoided by not neglecting other parts of your skin during skin care.

Dark joints (knuckles, knees, elbows etc). This isn't always a telltale sign of bleaching, as joints on naturally lighter people can also be dark but coped with other signs it can add up to scream "bleacher".

Very darker lips. This is also one that isn't a sign on its own but can contribute to help others come to the conclusion.

Darkening very fast in the sun. I went on a beach date with a naturally light skinned friend and a artificially light skinned cousin and let's just say, people who lighten darken much faster in the sun. I wish I could give advice on how to darken at a slower pace such as a naturally light person but I don't know. Use a high spf sunblock always.

Discolorations are darker on those who lighten. When my naturally light skin friend scars or gets a discoloration from a popped pimple it tends to be a light brown. However, when I see someone who has lightened their skin drastically get a discoloration, it is much darker.

Greyish, dull undertoned. I've noticed that naturally lighter people have richer undertones, whether it be red or yellow etc. Having this type of undertone also makes your skin look drastically different in different lighting (more so than those who are naturally light). As another poster said, when you are artificially light, you can easily appear dark skin in different lighting when in fact you are very pale. I've seen this effect in photos next to naturally light skin individual in different lighting. When I was lightening more heavily, in sunlight I was lighter than my naturally light friends, in dark photos I was darker. Ways to combat this are lightening from the inside. Taking supplements such as vitamin C, L Gluta, drinking tons of water etc.

Thin skin. This may be in result of over exfoliating or using products with steroids. This can be avoided by not using products with steriod, not over exfoliating and building skin using products with skin building ingredients such as collagen and vitamin E and A.

Skin color tends to fluctuate way more than the average person. Yes we all can tan and get lighter depending on the weather. However, I've noticed those who lighten their skin have way more fluctuations in skin tone regardless of the weather. This can be avoided by coming up with a maintenance regimen and sticking to it. Try coming up with a regimen for all 4 seasons, as what works for summer may over lighten you in the winter.

Please feel free to add one telltale sides and tips on how to avoid them. Feel free to add more tips to the signs I posted above, as I feel I did not include enough tips.
 

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from my experience, the easily darkening of skin in the sun is due to the photo sensitive acids and skin lighteners most bleachers use during the day. The average person isn’t using these products and therefore isn’t going to react as badly in the sun.
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Go easy on the acids/HQ and just moisturise and use spf during the day
 

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how do u get rid of white dots? i used a kligman's formula ( retin a , 1% hydrocortisone, hydroquinone) formula on my body and i have white dots
 

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Also there is always a metallic smell from the person who has overly bleached _____i advise we detoxify always to wash away this heavy smell
 

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how do u get rid of white dots? i used a kligman's formula ( retin a , 1% hydrocortisone, hydroquinone) formula on my body and i have white dots
Reduce usage or stop the product causing the white dots. Exfoliate with a good scrub and skin build with nourishing lotion, oils or butter depending on what works for you
 

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Raccoon eyes, fake eyeliner effect where the waterline & inner eye corners stay dark because products can’t reach those areas. It looks so bizarre.

Unusually red undertones.
 

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Can you post a picture of what unusually red undertones look like? I'm not sure I know what you mean. Unusual paleness with "no undertone" tends to be an obvious sign.
 

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I still struggle with my damned knuckles. 😕 Hopefully longterm glutathione and bit c will fix it. Cause nothing topical works for me
 

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@lightnme: name of peel and percentage you used. Do you have pictures of it? Website? What about tanned arms? What can I use for 1-2 shades?
 

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Would you guys say there is a limit to how many shades you can bleach before you start looking like a pale skinned/raw grey undertone, skin bleacher?

To not look like this:







But instead to look more natural like this:

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Does anyone know a person who bleaches their skin and has a natural healthy glow (in person - no filter) and not the "dead and grey look" ?
 

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How do you guys avoid looking like the below:

I don't think the ashy look just comes from steroids though.

Spice is wearing make up but that look is spot on for bleachers. Perhaps it's her darker skin peaking through - the way the tone of the lower layer of the skin may peak through on bleached skin.

I really despise that ashy look, which is the main reason I created this thread? Perhaps others don't mind as much as long as they are lighter?
 

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How do people keep undertones? As people get lighter, they're at risk of looking grey, dull and discolored. I have seen people who bleach who look like a naturally light skinned person, like @lightenme, I believe she used roids and ended with nice skin somehow(Not saying roids are good). I know fake tanners, can help bring back some color, but I wonder how some people avoid looking bleached out while, other people don't.
My first time around reaching my goal I never had the gray problem or the looking dark in certain lighting and I think it’s because I lightened very gradually. I had used caro white for 2-3 years then skin light, caro white gave me a orange undertone and skin light gave me a yellow one. I’d also use maxi and rdl baby face peels which would give me this yummy complexion. I remember my SD and my mixed raced boyfriend both said they loved my complexion so did strangers. But the second time around after I redarkened I lightened too fast in a matter of 6 months I went from NC50 to NC25 and I had that gray dark in different lighting problem. I also drank smoked and did some drugs during this tome where previously I took my vitamins worked out everyday and kept my skin hydrated so lifestyle might have been a contributing factor
 
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