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Hey, I'm fairly young with quite pale skin. Does anyone have any tips on how I can get a slight tan? I found a good post on Yahoo questions, unfortunately I can't link it. The poster reccomended only blocking UVB rays and tanning for short periods of time each day. I live in Australia so if anyone has any pointers or knows of any UVB blocking products that dont block UVA. Basically what I'm asking is how can I get a tan.
 

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You are probably what they call a Fitzpatrick 1 or 2. Even if you try to go out in the sun, you then might develop uneven pigmentation. The UVB rays are there for a reason. They make your skin tell you when it's being damaged. Don't try to block them and PLEASE do not go to the tanning booth. Try sunless tanning with a low percentage of DHA for a golden hue.


Hey, I'm fairly young with quite pale skin. Does anyone have any tips on how I can get a slight tan? I found a good post on Yahoo questions, unfortunately I can't link it. The poster reccomended only blocking UVB rays and tanning for short periods of time each day. I live in Australia so if anyone has any pointers or knows of any UVB blocking products that dont block UVA. Basically what I'm asking is how can I get a tan.
 

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Dont try to block UVB rays???? Are you kidding??? What do you think sunscreens do???

UVB rays are light with wavelength between 290 and 320 nm. UVB rays cause burning (and tanning), and SPF measures protection from UVB radiation. UVA rays are light with wavelength between 320 and 400 nm; UVA is comprised of short-wave UVA-II (320-340 nm), and long-wave UVA-I rays (340-400 nm). UVA rays cause tanning and photoaging and penetrate deeper into the skin than UVB. Also, window glass tends to transmit UVA rays but not UVB rays.1 2 In US sunscreens, UVA protection is not quantified. One popular method for determining the UVA protection is the Persistent Pigment Darkening (PPD) method. PPD is like SPF for UVA protection.

http://makeupalley.com/account/sn.as...e=sunscreenFAQ

http://www.makeupalley.com/user/notepad/sunscreens
 

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This is the post that i read from Yahoo answers. It's quite a long one and as i barely know anything about skin to me it sounds realistic.

The key to tanning fair skin is complex; but let me try to condense it to the essentials. Your body produces two types of melanins; eumelanin and pheomelanin. The former tans brown and the latter tans ruddy (or red). Different people produce the two melanins in different amounts and, most importantly, in different proportions. Pheomelanin breaks down quickly when exposed to UVA or UVB, but eumelanin does not. In your case, your melanocytes probably produce a much higher proportion of pheomelanin than eumelanin. In other words, you tan perfectly fine you just can't see it - the pheomelanin breaks down in parallel with the healing of sunburns and you never realize that your melanocytes actually did produce something. You may produce in less quantity than most; but your melanocytes *do* produce melanins and can be *conditioned* to produce more if you expose yourself to the sun more.
Surprised? Well, here's the good news. You can build up a signficant amount of eumelanin (because we all produce *some* of it) by stimulating your melanocytes to produce eumelanin at very slow rates, which gives the pheomelanin enough time to break down and clear up. The way you do this is by prejudicially blocking UVB over UVA because UVB is what stimulates your melanocytes to produce both types of melanins. You don't want to produe a whole lot of it at once because you, the fair skinned type, will flood your skin with pheomelanin which will block UVA and prevent a tan. After several exposures in a high UVA/UVB ratio environment you will slowly notice a tan emerge.
How do you do this? Sunbathe with UVB blockers that do not block UVA. Suntan lotions that use octinoxate will do this, just make sure they have no other blocking agents in them. They're hard to find but they're out there (the Walgreen's brand SPF 2 works quite well). Glass also blocks UVB but allows UVA to pass; so you can tan behind glass. Do not spend so much time in each exposure that you burn or tan red as this will block the UVA; instead tan very slowly. Also, try to sunbathe in the lowest humidity environment possible (water diffracts UVA more strongly than UVB). For those who produce higher proportions of eumelanin all of this it not necessary and it is infinitely easier for them to tan. Their bodies produce a lot more eumelanin (which is brown) and which will oxidize to an even darker color from UVA exposure. Pheomelanin simply chemically breaks down upon exposure to UVA (that is how it protects you, by dissipating energy via chemical breakdown - eumelanin does it by oxidizing).
So, the best advice is to get you some Walgreen's SPF 2 (real cheap), a towel and a covenient place to sunbathe. Lay out, and hopefully you live in the American SW where humidity is low, and tan every day of the week right up to the point you begin to burn and you will have a nice sandy brown tan in a month.
 

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Sorry to comment on what will sure be an unpopular view but the site is "Skin Care Talk" and as such it is only realistic to admit that people DO want to be tanned and not everyone wants a lecture on the "ravages of sun damage". Yes many of us are here to reverse such damage, optimise our skin health etc. but as a recovering but far from recovered tanorexic I think there is nothing wrong with wanting some sun. We do not pounce on people who write about whitening and for many of us being tanned is psychologically as important as is being white for others.

Now I want to address the question--Almost anyone can tan but for those on Fitzpatrick 1 which are usually ginger (red) haired people with freckles. Many of them can even tan. If you only ever get red you likely will not tan. There is a way to attempt to tan which uses UVA which is correct. If you go to several tanning salons and ask for a "high powered UVA" bed they will likely have one (higher end salons). There you should go in for the minmum time on a course of about 5 or 6 sessions slowly building up. I would go every three days if I were you. Slowly you will see a tan IF you can tan. If you gain nothing then you must simply learn to live around being very pale.

Good luck!
 

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Sorry to comment on what will sure be an unpopular view but the site is "Skin Care Talk" and as such it is only realistic to admit that people DO want to be tanned and not everyone wants a lecture on the "ravages of sun damage". Yes many of us are here to reverse such damage, optimise our skin health etc. but as a recovering but far from recovered tanorexic I think there is nothing wrong with wanting some sun. We do not pounce on people who write about whitening and for many of us being tanned is psychologically as important as is being white for others.

Now I want to address the question--Almost anyone can tan but for those on Fitzpatrick 1 which are usually ginger (red) haired people with freckles. Many of them can even tan. If you only ever get red you likely will not tan. There is a way to attempt to tan which uses UVA which is correct. If you go to several tanning salons and ask for a "high powered UVA" bed they will likely have one (higher end salons). There you should go in for the minmum time on a course of about 5 or 6 sessions slowly building up. I would go every three days if I were you. Slowly you will see a tan IF you can tan. If you gain nothing then you must simply learn to live around being very pale.

Good luck!
I agree that even though we know things are not healthy for us we do them by choice, as adults like tanning, drinking, eating junk, recreational drugs, etc although there are some people that are truly ignorant to the dangers of these things and if a lecture on a message board saves someone from skin cancer, then its worth it!

FAKE BAKE! please....... Skin cancer is ugly.
 

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the lady in the picture is probably 115 years old.
I actually know a lady who is 49 years old with skin similar to that and no teeth. Actually many more wrinkles than her. Unreal lines and wrinkles. She smokes and eats crap and I'm not sure about her sun habbits but for sure some real bad genes.
 

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I think the key to life is be happy with what you have.
I am fair don't tan just go red.
I am envious of african american dark skinned people I think they are gorgeous their skin just glows.
Where I look like a marshmellow ewe, so I live with it.
 

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I actually know a lady who is 49 years old with skin similar to that and no teeth. Actually many more wrinkles than her. Unreal lines and wrinkles. She smokes and eats crap and I'm not sure about her sun habbits but for sure some real bad genes.
Here's another reason to tan. Want to look like a leather handbag

 

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Moderate tanning will not do that. Some sun is actually good for people and not so bad for the skin. This woman obviously spent a lifetime in the sun and I have actually seen this photo (scared the life out of me as a recovering tanorexic). I just do feel that when someone who is really pale wants a "bit" of colour from a salon or the sun it is certainly not going to end like that...just do not start going daily or even into winter etc. It is really about moderating, as pointed out many behaviours are bad for us...we just need to make sure not to overdo anything.

Do not get me wrong, I do see all your points but I also think on a site that is about cosmetic skincare being brown is just as big an issue for some as being white is for others and a person needs to make decisions based on their desires and all the facts. Exaggeration of risks is as bad as minimising risks.
 

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Oh ya thats the body I want!!! That is so gross, but yet I see a ton of people that have skin that looks just like that!! So, so, so, sad. Maybe that lady will join SCT to find out how she can help her tanned skin?
 

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I actually know a lady who is 49 years old with skin similar to that and no teeth. Actually many more wrinkles than her. Unreal lines and wrinkles. She smokes and eats crap and I'm not sure about her sun habbits but for sure some real bad genes.
Oh peri I know her here she is
Do you think this is bad genes?? No sun block or no skincare ?? poor thing.
 
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