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For the heck of it I wanted to know once and for all what the big deal w/Bismuth Oxychloride is. I almost purchased Sheer Cover when I realized this was in their ingredient list for the MMU. Here is an important link to the explanation of why it's so bad for us and not only that if you type in the word itself on your address bar to do a search you'll come up on all kinds of very important information:

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Oh thank you for that.....I don't know what half of some of those ingrediants are. I'll have to mess around on that link and read up.
 

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Thing I don't understand is that Bismuth is a naturally occurring mineral and is an essential mineral needed (why some need Peptol Bismol). There are like 70 minerals if not more and we don't get them in our nutrients because of depleted soils (why farmers have to treat their soils most times). The lack of bismuth can cause ulcers.

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SILVER: Kills over 650 disease causing organisms, systemic disinfectant & immune support, subdues inflammation, & promotes healing. Anti-bacterial; Anti-viral; Anti-fungal.
BISMUTH: Ulcers result from lack of bismuth.
CALCIUM: Osteoporosis (& Dowagers Hump spontaneous fractures, lyphosis), Receding gums, Osteomalicia arthritis, Hypertension/High Blood Pressure, Insomnia, Kidney stones, Bone spurs, Calcium deposits (body is so starved for calcium that it takes calcium from your bones which your body cannot absorb), Cramps & twitches, PMS, Some lower back pains (sciatica. muscle spasms, disc problems), Bell's Palsy, Osteofibroisis, Tetany, Panic attacks.
COBALT: Emaciation, listlessness, starved look, pale mucus membranes, Anorexia, Anemia.
CHROMIUM: Low blood sugar (Vanadium & Copper also), Pre diabetes (Vanadium also), Diabetes (Vanadium also), Hyperactivity, Learning disabilities, Hyperirritablility, Depression, Manic Depression, Peripheral neuropathy, Elevated blood triglycerides and cholesterol, Coronary blood vessel disease, Aortic cholesterol plaque, Infertility and decreased sperm count. Shortened Life Span.
COPPER: (need in order for body to utilize Iodine), White or Gray hair, Dry brittle hair. Ptosis (sagging tissue, eye lids. skin, breasts. etc.), Hernias, Varicose veins, Aneurysms (artery wall bulges), Anemia, Hypo or Hyperthyroid, Arthritis (especially where growth plates are Involved), Liver cirrhosis (number 9 kill In U.S.), violent behavior, Learning disabilities, Cerebral palsy. low blood sugar, High blood cholesterol.
IRON: Hemoglobin, Pica (mineral lack and eats dirt or chews ice), listiessness and fatigue, Heart palpitations, Memory deficits, Sore tongue, Anemia.
GERMANIUM: Arthritis, Osteoporosis, Low energy, Cancer.
IODINE: Under Active Thyroid which leads to fatigue, cold intolerance, muscle aches and pains, heavy period or less than 28 day cycles, low sex drive, brittle nails, weight gains, hair loss, muscle cramps, depression, constipation, elevated blood cholesterol, puffy face, dry skin & hair, inability to concentrate, goiter. over active thyroid which leads to insomnia, heat intolerance, excessive sweating, light periods or, longer than 28 day cycles, hand tremors, rapid pulse, bulging eyes, weight loss, increased appetite, muscle weakness, frequent bowel movements, nervousness, goiter.
LITHIUM: Depression, Manic depression, Reproductive failure, infertility, Reduced growth rate, Rages and fits.
MAGNESIUM: Asthma, Anorexia, Menstrual migraines, Tetany - convulsions, Depression, Vertigo, Calcification, Tremors.
MANGANESE: Congenital ataxia, Congenital deafness, Asthma, TMJ, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, convulsions, Infertility (failure to ovulate or testicle atrophy), Still births or spontaneous miscarriages, Loss of sex drive.
NICKEL: Poor growth, Anemia, Depressed oxidative ability of the liver, High newborn mortality, Dermatitis.
SULFUR: Degeneration of cartilage, ligaments and tendons, Lupus, Sickle Cell Anemia.
SELENIUM: Anemia, Age spots or liver spots, Fatigue, HIV, Scoliosis, Muscular Dystrophy, Cystic Fibrosis, Cardiomyopathy. Multiple Sclerosis, Heart palpitations, Irregular heart beat, liver cirrhosis, Pancreatitis, Pancreatic atrophy, ALS (Lou Gehrilg's Disease), Parkinson's Disease, Alzheimer's Disease, Infertility, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Cancer (number 2 killer), Sickle Cell Anemia, High infant mortality.
SILICA: Poor skin quality, Poor calcium utilization & arterial wall strength problems, Dry brittle hair, Brittle fingernails.
TIN: (Has Cancer prevention properties) Hearing loss, Male pattern baldness.
VANADIUM: Elevated cholesterol and triglycerides, Hypoglycemia and Diabetes, Obesity, Infertility, High infant mortality.
ZINC: Zinc deficiency associated congenital birth defects - Down's syndrome, Brain defects, Spina bifida, Clubbed limbs, Webbed toes and fingers, Hietal hernia and Umbilical hernia, Heart and Lung defects, Urogenital defects:- other deficiencies - Pica, Loss of sense of smell and/or taste, Infertility, Slow wound healing, Weakened immune function, High infant mortality, Anemia, Alopecia, "Frizzy" hair, Diarrhea, Depression, Paranoia, Anorexia and/or Bulimia, Enlarged prostate, Bad body odors ("smelly tennis shoe" syndrome)
 

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Wow thanks Naturally. That is some good info. I've mentioned before about my confusion about how bad stuff really is.

I mean I know someone who's grandma is 109 and still going amazingly well. So if all of that stuff was that harmful how is it that we are all living so much longer now?
 

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And her grandma probably doesn't watch what she's eating and so forth - you know - watch the red meats, carbs, etc - she might even drink a shot a whiskey a day and smoke like a chimney stack! LOL It always amazes me too! Wow 109 - I'd love to hear her tell stories about her childhood. We need to tap into people like her and listen to them!
 

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Well guess what? My beloved grandma just turned 92 and is going real strong.

She walks on her own, travels well, showers and makes light meals w/out assistance.

If you saw her you wouldn't believe she's 92. You'd be amazed!! She remembers things I even forget. Her skin is beautiful too-not all old and wrinkled.

She doesn't watch what she eats by any means. If it's edible she'll consume it
She drinks lots of coffee and loves soda pop once in a while.

Her favorite make up brands were the original Max Factor and Elizabeth Arden. She says that makeup is so different now not like the old days so she refuses to wear any of the new stuff.

I LOVE YOU GRAMS!!!!
 

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Well guess what? My beloved grandma just turned 92 and is going real strong.......She doesn't watch what she eats by any means. If it's edible she'll consume it
She drinks lots of coffee and loves soda pop once in a while.........I LOVE YOU GRAMS!!!!
My Grandma is 88 and still going strong....well for the most part, she's got asthma and has to use oxygen....but she lives on her own, still drives.....moves around with that darn oxygen tank (well I check on her alot and drive her places if/when needed...cuz it's our turn now to take care of her....but boy is she stubborn, she always feels she's being a burden....grandmas - why do they think that?)

....and so much AND she pretty much eats whatever she wants....yep pop, chips and dip (I think that's her favorite) and so forth.

Honestly, she's one of my best friends and I've always said that. I can tell her ANYTHING....sometimes I can even tell her more than I tell my Mom....meaning, Grandma is so unconditional and just very easy to talk to. Not saying my Mom's not easy to talk with, just saying....well you know Mom's - gotta love em!

Anyways....this turned into a Grandma thread - he he he!
 

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Isn't it the best to have been blessed with awesome genes? YAY!!


It sometimes has backfired to look so yung though. People can tend to not take you seriously (happens quite often to me).

But then there's the days when the younger guys notice and boy does that put a pep in my step


So who's to really say what's harmful or not right? I mean I honestly think that genes and heredity play a MAJOR role in what becomes of us.

But I still wonder how the heck we are living longer lives if all this stuff is bad for us?
 

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Although I have never had any issues with it, from what I understand, allergic reactions to bismuth are quite common. For anyone with sensitive skin it makes sense to avoid it.
 

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Can I step in here a moment for a question and an observation?

Observation: This is such a HEARTWARMING thread!! I am not old, but yet dependant on my children for some things. And I too, feel terrible about it. Not so much for genes on my side of the family. Hubby has a great LONG line of long-life genes. So it is really a warm fuzzy to see how much you all think of the older ones in your families. They are to be treasured.

Question: I read the information on the minerals but was not clear about if these are negative affects that are stated or do they just play a part in the different issues?
For instance, magnesium, is that bad to put ON or take IN? Is there a difference in what is good or bad when it concerns EITHER taking internally or externally?

Sorry so clueless!
 

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Eh, I'm not at all concerned about bismuth oxychloride. (Sp?) I'll keep wearing Bare Escentuals foundation and Smashbox Halo, which I'm not sure contains bismuth.
 

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For the heck of it I wanted to know once and for all what the big deal w/Bismuth Oxychloride is. I almost purchased Sheer Cover when I realized this was in their ingredient list for the MMU. Here is an important link to the explanation of why it's so bad for us and not only that if you type in the word itself on your address bar to do a search you'll come up on all kinds of very important information:



Thanks for this
 

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Well-informed post! Thanks for keep me notify about this important news. For more information I will be in touch. Your accepted wisdom is great.
 
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