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The chief cause of large shoulder muscles in women is heavy breasts. Pecs mainly, that's where they insert (upper humerus). They are there for a reason. Take away that muscle, there will be untoward consequences.

Some professional swimmers that started swimming at a tender age also develop large shoulders. Charlene de Monaco for exemple.
 

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do you have a picture so we can see what you are talking about? ppl can be mean. they might not look as bad as you think.

I'm 20 years old. I really want this surgery because I don't feel entirely like a woman with my arms, and a lot of people made n still make fun of me.
 

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So would I now, but I can understand .... I received the odd spiteful comment through my teens and twenties about my AA cup boobs, and the odd thoughtless comment in my thirties about my 'pregnancy' (abdominal weight gain plus flat chest). Some 'flaws' cover up and some do not and you miss out on life in the mean time; anyone with half a brain knows that what one says others are thinking. Covering up is not conducive to feeling feminine, confident, sexy or spontaneous.

Maybe its just me, but Id rather wear long sleeves, or whatever, than get some radical surgery for muscle revision. But i hate surgery!
 

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Thank you Firefox, thats exactly what I think! Covering up does not make me feel feminine and confident.
 

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I really like that first dress Fawnie....nice.

Muscular arms are not easy to obtain for the vast majority of women.

Quote: I have curves and a big butt.


Build some muscle to balance and lean out....is good.

Firefox

Quote: I received the odd spiteful comment through my teens and twenties about my AA cup boobs


You and I both....but *pfft* so what?
That's what pecs are for...lift and separate...
 

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I wish ... v slight build despite being average height so epically failed to achieve hypertrophy on the top half: had better results with the Flexi-bar than traditional resistance training.
On the plus side my nips are exactly where they were twenty years ago not down around my belly button, and Mariebai10 won't have her the back of her arms flapping in the wind by her forties.


You and I both....but *pfft* so what?
That's what pecs are for...lift and separate...
 

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Quote: On the plus side my nips are exactly where they were twenty years ago not down around my belly button, and Mariebai10 won't have her the back of her arms flapping in the wind by her forties.



*TCHA*

The silver lining....



Quote: epically failed to achieve hypertrophy on the top half



heheh....if we were training together....mmmmhmmmm....me thinks would be able to shock the system into growth....mmmm...yes...but it would hurt. lol

Women in general...lower body can easily be equal in strength to a male, but upper body...mostly not. Easy to bulk up , quads etc. etc...but the rest...not so. I was freakishly powerful in the legs, upper body was not bad...now it's all lame...but years ago....*Freak* strength....but didn't look it...just lean. Would get stopped by people to comment on my quads for cuts...now...*meh* ....lol...old fart.


Lower back was a christmas tree,,,lats clear and sharp..and me bewbies...I could flip them up one at time just flexing....LOL TMI...but oh well...we're mostly girls here...and I like muscles. So,...80% is diet...20% is training. The training is the easy part.
 

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Ha ha, training is supposed to hurt! I bet you are even more hardcore than my old training partner/ best girlfriend. Leg day was something to behold; stationary lunges where I got down and was NOT coming back up without the barbell gone, having to edge downstairs sideways with two hands on the rail or cave in your nose, gurning, DOMS ....

[HR][/HR] Upper body reached fatigue/ failure far too quickly and needed smaller increments in the weights. Tried whole upper twice a week, split push/ pull days once a week, supersets for same muscle group, supersets for opposing muscle groups, dropsets, pyramids, assisted reps, long rests, short rests, reversing the order, cycling hard and easy weeks, cables/ free weights/ body weight, unilateral/ bilateral .... the programmes worked for my training partner and committed clients but not *my* upper body. In the end I concluded 20% gains of next to nothing is next to nothing and just 'relaxed' into the masochism! Yup I regimented the nutrition tho supps limited to fish oils, whey shakes, creatine, HMB.



*TCHA*

The silver lining....



heheh....if we were training together....mmmmhmmmm....me thinks would be able to shock the system into growth....mmmm...yes...but it would hurt. lol

Women in general...lower body can easily be equal in strength to a male, but upper body...mostly not. Easy to bulk up , quads etc. etc...but the rest...not so. I was freakishly powerful in the legs, upper body was not bad...now it's all lame...but years ago....*Freak* strength....but didn't look it...just lean. Would get stopped by people to comment on my quads for cuts...now...*meh* ....lol...old fart.
 

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I love your contributions and comments DragoN and Firefox and love the turn this thread is taking, but would love it even more if I knew what is *TCHA*, TMI, DOMS, HMB. Sorry, I just joined and have no idea what you're talking about, tried to figure it out from context but no luck.
 

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Sorry!
AFAIK *TCHA* is meant to be the noise/ exclamation not an acronym .... TMI = too much information, DOMS = delayed onset muscle soreness, HMB = hydroxymethyl-something-chemical, AFAIK = as far as I know. Probably clear as mud now!!

I love your contributions and comments DragoN and Firefox and love the turn this thread is taking, but would love it even more if I knew what is *TCHA*, TMI, DOMS, HMB. Sorry, I just joined and have no idea what you're talking about, tried to figure it out from context but no luck.
 

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Aha, now I get it... I thought I'd been suffering from DOBS (delayed onset brain soreness) as a result of TMI but now that I'm factoring in the noise element, it makes perfect sense! Thank you, Firefox! ; )
 

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^^^ teehee* sorry*

I was being cheeky...but the TMI is true. Scary...but true.

I would hate to see a girl feel so terrible about muscular arms because others are jealous of her. That is so sad. I hope Mariebai10 will learn to appreciate those pipes. I would give my left testicle for those arms. Looks like I am not the only one either. Thank you Firefox to confirm such.

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stationary lunges where I got down and was NOT coming back up without the barbell gone, having to edge downstairs sideways with two hands on the rail or cave in your nose, gurning, DOMS ....



....I hear you....falling up the stair because the legs give out after a killer workout....*those were the days*....LOL. Loved it. Now...just maintenance. *sigh* no more crazy butt training....
 

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Thank you everyone for your help. I was born with muscles . My dad is very muscuclar and I got it from him. Ever since I was born I never felt comfortable because well the others made me feel that way. That's why it's so hard for me to embrace my muscles. I feel like I'm not fully a woman.
I think muscular arms look really nice. I don't see the need to hide them. Its possible that you've developed a complex from the insecure jealous people who are picking on you. I think you should embrace your muscular self. To hell with surgery! Get into some figure competition! The women and men who have genetics working in their favor usually obtain better, faster results. It would also be a good way for you to give the middle finger to the people who are doing the bullying. They want you to hide yourself so they feel better about themselves. I was subjected to some similar ridicule. I was naturally a little more muscular in my twenties and people said stuff. My response was usually something like "say it one more time ***** and these manly arms will give you a manly swollen face!" I'm not promoting violence. I learned this behavior when I was younger as a defense mechanism that resulted from growing up around allot of really tough girls from disfunctional families.
 

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