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I've seen so many on line ads, and I've been taken in by several, like the ads where it's free shipping, etc., and then you can't cancel the product no matter what! I've had to cancel credit cards before to keep these "free products" from being charged to my card and shipped! Nobody answers the "product hotline", or, if the, do, I can't understand them!

Is there anything out there that really is good? Not just a scam?:
 

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If your asking for one product, go with a quality photostable sunscreen and sun avoidance when possible. Prevention is always better than cure. Retin-a and vitamin c serum are next in line IMO.
 

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Dont forget vitamins, minerals, good diet, water, live well, and make sure your skin is hydrated at all times! Fawnie though have you really tried no products before that has given you good lift in the face area or has this all been through excersie, baby Q etc?
 

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No topical products can give you the lift that facial exercise and massage does. You could put egg white on your face and it would give you a temporary lift, but it wouldn't really do anything long-lasting.



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Generally, these products are not permanent wrinkle removers, but either help remove the dead outer layer of the skin or hydrate the skin and plump it up, removing wrinkles and improving the appearance of your face. There is no way of completely removing wrinkles except for very costly, risky and complicated surgical procedures. Another method of making fine lines from your face disappear for a limited amount of time is Botox. Your surgeons price for BOTOX will be about $450 dollars. Your BOTOX price should be between $500-$1800 for each area injected. Unfortunately, if you choose this solution, expect to pay this cost and endure the pain of needles penetrating your face skin every four to six months to maintain your result

The thing that will help you the most in the anti-wrinkle battle is a healthy DIET and a good night's sleep. So make sure you eat well and sleep well
 

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Hmmm.


Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but Retin-A and it's sisters, Taz and Differin, remodel the skin at the level where the wrinkles live, so as long as it is used, it improves the overall condition of the skin, not just the targeted areas that Botox and fillers do, is this right? And for a fraction of the cost. They actually stimulate the production of collagen and elastin, I believe.

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"Reducing skin wrinkles with tretinoin (Retin A, Renova)

Retin A and Renova are the best-known brands of tretinoin (a short for trans-retinoic acid), an active metabolite of substance related to but distinct from vitamin A. To be precise, tretinoin is a biologically active metabolite of vitamin A. Tretinoin produces multiple effects in the skin. It works by triggering molecular switches in skin cells called retinoid receptors. These switches affect many intracellular processes including cell growth and differentiation, synthesis of proteins (including collagen and elastin), sebum production, and possibly even the cell's lifespan clock (telomeres). Furthermore, tretinoin indirectly inhibits matrix metalloproteinases (MMP), the enzymes that break down collagen and elastin, the skin's key structural proteins. MMP become overactive as we age and contribute to wrinkles and sagging skin. Overall, the biochemical effects of tretinoin are numerous and only some are well researched."

Even if we had surgery to "remove" the wrinkles, it wouldn't stop the ageing process! But regular use of sunscreen with a high SPF/PPD is very important in slowing it down. Don't you agree?




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Generally, these products are not permanent wrinkle removers, but either help remove the dead outer layer of the skin or hydrate the skin and plump it up, removing wrinkles and improving the appearance of your face. There is no way of completely removing wrinkles except for very costly, risky and complicated surgical procedures. Another method of making fine lines from your face disappear for a limited amount of time is Botox. Your surgeons price for BOTOX will be about $450 dollars. Your BOTOX price should be between $500-$1800 for each area injected. Unfortunately, if you choose this solution, expect to pay this cost and endure the pain of needles penetrating your face skin every four to six months to maintain your result

The thing that will help you the most in the anti-wrinkle battle is a healthy DIET and a good night's sleep. So make sure you eat well and sleep well
Whoa whoa whoa!!! Not sure where you are that you have those prices. But I am in California and do not pay that kind of money for Botox or for fillers. I have done Botox, Restylane, Juvederm and have had a couple scars filled in with Radiesse. I have NEVER paid that kind of money for any of these treatments. As far as wrinkles go, there isn't anything you can do to have them "disappear", without surgery, but you can definately use products to reduce them. Facial peels are a great option. Chemical peels enhance and smooth the texture of the skin. It is an effective treatment for facial blemishes, wrinkles and uneven skin pigmentation. Any kind of topical is going to help in reducing the appearance of wrinkles too. I can see a huge difference by the use of Vitamin C, Green Cream and or Retin-A. Of course we can't turn back the clock, but we can definately slow it down by taking good care of ourselves. I am a firm believer in WATER WATER WATER, getting enough rest, and SPF!!

Most of all, just enjoy life. We were only given one chance to live here on earth, so make the most of it!
 

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fawnie what is Taz and differin? How do they differ from using a ret product? Also while im thinking of it do these lotions have long term effect on the skin or does your body eventualy get used to them and reject them?
 

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I agree with Fawnie and Gymrat - and I can personally testify to the fact that Retin-A and Vitamin C are effective in the fight to prevent or at least slow down the formation of lines and wrinkles, and also reduce the appearance of already formed ones. And sunscreen is a must for prevention!

I also agree that facial exercises are an important adjunct. If the skin is toned and the underlying muscles are plump, then the wrinkles and lines are less noticeable.
 

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Thanks fawnie!! By the way how did the green cream improve your skin?
Green Cream improved smoothness, clarity and tone. The silicones in it gave immediate appearance of smoothness and softness. Over the course of 4 months my skin improved. Then I switched to Retin-A Micro, the best-tolerated form of Retin-A (but expensive @ $50/45g tube from Canada online pharmacy).

NY, here is the link to the Green Cream forum, but you have to register to post there, just as you do here: ADVANCED SKIN TECHNOLOGY • Index page



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