this may seem hard to understand but the reason why we have a forum is because we dont know for sure what works. people may claim they have results but you cant take that too seriousely until they show pictures to prove it. some people claim that they went up 1 or 2/3 shades but there is no set measure to help decide what is a shade. some products takes several months to work and unfortunately very few people will return to update their progress, especially if they didnt see results and abandon their efforts. very very few people bother to take B/A. it would seem to be a great way to accurately gauge results but i guess some people cant be bothered with it. also some people dont want to post pics of themselves on the internet and for the most part, skin lightening (especially trying to lighten the complexion) is very difficult. there is no product that we know of that is guaranteed to work for sure. so the best you can do is do your own homework so you can make an informed decision on what to try. just wing it, be your own guineapig and try the product yourself or you can wait and hope for someone to be kind and brave enough to post their results with pictures. thats the best you will be able to get on any forum. the yahoo group "brighterskin" has a picture section with very interesting photos. also the exboard group brightskin forum has a few members who post pics. its kinda hard to figure out who has pics because members have their own personal gallary (some people use their gallary some dont) but you can open a thread and ask members to list people who submitted pictures.