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Thank you MissRalux!

I will definately post the before and afters, I want to give it another month before I post though as hopefully that is when the maximum improvement will be visible
Although I am dying to post now


Have a great day too and thanks for your ongoing support, means so much as you have followed and supported me in my journey for a long time now.

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Hi Catseyes7,

I was and still sometimes use a cream called: Neutrogena Deep Comfort Balm. Its one of the new generation moisturisers now coming onto the market aimed at delivering moisture 10 layers deep into the skin rather than just to the epidermis. Its very cheap and for me it did work but at the time my skin was breaking out from all the different things I was putting on it in desperation to improve its appearance so I stopped for a while.

I did see good results in terms of aliviating the dehyrated look of my skin. Give it a go. I have no idea how good/bad the ingredients are in case your acne prone but it says its suitable for use on the face and it does work


My husband and I are too going to be trying for baby as soon as I have finished with the Fraxel treatments (will know after my visit in a months time if I will have any more) as you cannot have this laser when pregnant or trying for a baby.

Sending baby dust your way


Sadiemay

oh wow, how lovely! Wish you all the best too and thank you for the baby dust, I'm trying to grab it with both hands!! I'm really tempted to try the Neutrogena if I can use it on my face. I dont suffer from acne so hopefully it wont be a problem. Thanks for the details. I try to drink a lot of water but it doesn't always happen


thank you so much and take care! x
 

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Hi Sadie! I'm so glad to hear that everything is going great, and I hope it continues.
My skin, damaged after Fraxel, is starting to improve too in regards to the texture. The Tretinoin is doing most of the improving, I think, but I'm also using Emu Oil and a home-made serum which I really love. (And it'll save me a ton of money in the long run making it myself.)
The sagging, however, isn't getting any better.
I also think that the Fraxel caused me to lose some fat or muscle in my face. Although, my face isn't as bad in the area of sagging then my neck. More than one doctor has told me that I have way too much loose skin for my age. Before Fraxel, I was as tight as a drum. I just think I was a bad candidate for this procedure.
I have finally decided to get a minilift. It should take care of all the sagging and loose skin on my neck and jawline. I just hope I don't turn out worse than I am already. I'm going to have it done in less than a week! June 14th!
Gotta go pick up the kids from school. Take care and keep us posted. I wish you all the best!! Bean
 

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Hi Bean,

Great to hear from you


I am so pleased you are seeing some improvement in your skin from using the
Tretinoin, thats FAB news.

I know that Fraxel damaged your face and I so wish that hadnt happened to you. I certainly didnt enter into Fraxel lightly after reading yours and others (on Realself) experiences about this laser. However I truly felt that I had nothing to lose as my skin was so bad I knew I needed something drastic and I was willing to take the risk. I guess it is just a pot luck thing when it comes to lasers, no one can really say how a person will react as we and are skin is completely unique to us. All we can do is go to the best most experienced derm/laser specialist we can find who has alot of knowledge about the laser and well....just hope for the best!

Can I ask you when you started to notice the deterioration of your skin?, was it immediately after Fraxel or over a period of time afterwards? As I have to admit I a bit nervous of seeing to negative changes in my skin in the longer term and what the long term implications are of having Fraxel.

I wish you lots of luck with your surgery and look forward to hearing how it went


Take care and have a good day
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Oh goodness, girls! Keep that baby dust far, far away from me. My youngest will be 12 next week, and I am way past that chapter in my life. I promise to send any dust that floats my way over to you, pronto!!
Sadie ~ I can't really tell you the long-term implications of Fraxel. I only had mine done 6 months ago, and am still worried myself of what might still be to come. The stories that I've heard are so different from one another. Some don't even see the damage until a year later. The sagging on my neck I noticed 4 days after the treatment. Compared to what it is now, it was only a slight sag, but a sag none the less. For the first 5 weeks after Fraxel, my skin on my face was actually beautiful. It was like peaches and cream; glowing and spotless. Soon after that I noticed all the very large pores that covered my entire face. The larger pores on either side of my nose that I had previous to the treatment were then huge. I also noticed that many of the pores were "strung" together to form dot-to-dot lines. Just like you have in your before pics. I also have some subtle scar-like lines. Like I said, I first noticed these textural issues about 5 weeks after my treatment and they (along witht the sagging) progressed until about the 14th or 15th week. I haven't seen any new damage since. I see this same kind of skin damage on others (like you before Fraxel, for example) that have never had Fraxel. That leads me to believe that the damage is the same as damage you get from years of being in the sun. Fraxel gave me years of sun damage in a short hour's time. (The pigmentation that the Fraxel was supossed to get rid of, is back also.) So, I figure my chances of repairing my skin are the same as anyone else that has sun damage; it's do-able. The tretinoin has given me some improvement and a lot of hope. I know that it is a slow process, so I'm hoping that in a year's time, my skin will be much better. I am having many more "good skin days" than I was. I'm giong in for my minilift in less than 3 days, and am very nervous! I just hope I don't come out looking like Wayne Newton! God, have you seen him lately!? LOL.
Fraxel doesn't damage everyone, and there are many people that have had good results. I hope with all my heart that you will be in that club! Take care, Sadie.
 

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Bean, I just read your skin description and looked at your pictures...that's exactly, and I mean exactly, what is happening to my skin from using Green Cream retinol. I am in shock that such a supposedly mild retinol can create damage equal to that of a laser. I've never even sunbathed, and have used sunscreen since I was a teenager, so I don't get why this happened. I've been using Derma E Alpha Lipoderm with Green Tea at night for only a couple days now and have already noticed a pretty big decrease in pore size, no improvement in the lines/scars though. I've had these huge pores and lines/scars for over a month now, so I really think it's the Derma E that's helping. Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes.
 

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Bean, I just read your skin description and looked at your pictures...that's exactly, and I mean exactly, what is happening to my skin from using Green Cream retinol. I am in shock that such a supposedly mild retinol can create damage equal to that of a laser. I've never even sunbathed, and have used sunscreen since I was a teenager, so I don't get why this happened. I've been using Derma E Alpha Lipoderm with Green Tea at night for only a couple days now and have already noticed a pretty big decrease in pore size, no improvement in the lines/scars though. I've had these huge pores and lines/scars for over a month now, so I really think it's the Derma E that's helping. Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes.
Hey Starry ~ That's really bizarre that retinol would cause such damage. I'm actually using tretinoin (the strongest form) and getting improvement to my skin. I really wish someone could figure out what exactly is causing this kind of damage, and what helps it. In the mean time, I'll keep plugging away. B
 

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Hi all,

Well its been a while since I updated this thread so I thought I would give you a quick heads up.

Its not been approx 5 weeks since I had my 3rd Fraxel Restore treatment and to be perfectly honest?

Yes it has improved my skin to some degree, I certainly don’t feel the acute state of anxiety and despair I felt before but I still am VERY self concious and feel that my skin has an abnormal textural appearance but to a slightly lesser degree. The furrowed lined pores on my cheeks have softened especially on my outer cheeks (really noticable when I apply blusher) not so much on the inner cheek area towards my nose, my pores are slightly smaller too so I would say maybe overall a 15 – 20% improvement so there is a subtle visible difference and my eye area is tighter and less crows feet (but this was not a primary concern of mine so a pleasant addition), my skin also has a bit more plumpness to it (collagen rebuilding I guess) My last treatment was at the highest setting (70MJ and high treatment level setting on the device) and it was from this last treatment I noticed the most difference. BUT for the cost I was charged 2,500GBP for the three treatments I was expecting a much more significant improvement for that kind of money as I think a good TCA peel would have achieved the same for a tenth of the cost? Maybe if I was to have say another 5 Restores then I think I would see great differences of that I have no doubt but I don’t want to keep having laser treatments as its stopping me getting on with life. If I was to have another 5 Fraxel Resotre spaced over a month apart then I have to put on hold my plans to try to start a family for another half a year and I am not getting any younger!, so I just want this over and done with.

We went for my follow up last week and the doctor who has been treating me agreed he also would have expected more improvement and on that basis has offered to treat me with the Fraxel Repair free of charge as he stated in our initial consultation. I stressed at this stage I just want some area’s spot treated not my whole face, the areas he will treat are my cheeks, upper lip and sides of my chin and I am going in tomorrow for this. To say I am nervous is an understatment as this is a whole different league compared to the Restore and is much more invasive/aggressive ablative laser (Restore in non ablative) with a longer recovery and more risks but is touted as a one off treatment for severe skin skin damage, lines and wrinkles and some skin tightening as tissue is vapourised/removed (bear in mind more than 1 treatment may be needed if you are trying to treat acne scarring, which I have along with a dog bite scar as you can see on my pics but I am not bothered by these so I don’t particurly want to fix those) I feel I have to give it a go, I have no choice. IF this is a success and I see good results then possibly after a year I would go back for a full face treatment to improve my whole facial skin texture but right now I just want to treat the areas which are most damaged/of concern.

So I will be going tomorrow evening after work for the Fraxel Repair treatment and then off at home recovering Thursday, Friday and all of next week. (having to keep taking time off for recovery for these treatments had all but eaten in my holiday entitlement for this year…no actual vacation for me this year!................sigh…) I just hope that I recover well and am able to return to work as planned without looking like a scabby tomato :-S. I healed pretty well each time from the Restore so I hope I will from the Repair and as my skin is already now somewhat accustomed to Fraxel laser I believe this will aid my skin ability to recover)

So during my time off recovering I will keep popping on here to give you an update on how its going if your interested.

Actually just this second I looked at my before pics posted at the beginning of this thread there is a definate improvement, I guess I need to keep looking at my befores in order to see what progress I am making now, its very easy to lose sight of any improvement when you are looking and scrutinising your skin every single day!

Best wishes
Sadiemay
 

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Hi there,

I was wondering if anyone can advise me as I am so so low that I dont know where to turn or what to do


My facial skin is awful, rough, course texture and my pores appear stretched out and are very large over my entire face, and I have what appear to be tiny wrinkles and furrows all over my face from the stretched pores.

I am only 32 years old and I feel like a total and utter freak. No one I know has skin like this nor anyone I have ever come across.

I think I have damaged my skin through harsh cleansing/scrubbing over the years as well as using sun beds when I was in my 20's and now I think I have hit my 30's all the damage is becoming visible.

Now I am trying to take mre care of my skin but I fear its far too little too late. My quality of life is zero as I feel so ugly and abnormal.

Is my skin a lost cause or is there any procedure you could recommend to restore my skin to some normality or at least improve the appearance?

I have had a VI peel last year which did nothing and I have just completed 6 weekly sessions or Laser Genesis, I see a tiny improvement from the Genesis but nothing at all compared to the promises made by the dermatologist. Maybe I need to give it more time for the collagen to reproduce? I am considering the Titan laser (although I am hesitant as this is more for sagging skin which I dont have as such) or another 6 sessions or Laser Genesis but I dont have another several hundred pounds to waste if the treatment doesnt yield the results I want.

My skin type is sensitve and oily but also dehydrated in parts.

Please help as I am desperate


Many thanks in advance for any advise
Sadiemay
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Hello Sadiemay and everyone,

Sadiemay, have you tried the products on the Make Up Artists Choice website? They have great items (serums with Matrixyl(sp), copper peptides, vitamin c & e serums, etc., etc.). The good thing about them is that they send you samples of items when you place orders. And, they're reputable, and reasonably priced. I've used their lactic acid peels, a sample of the copper peptide, and the vitamin c & e serum. I did notice a difference in my pores using the salicylic and lactic acid peels, and the daily glyluronic serum was pretty good. You can also order samples and try the products out before buying the full size.
 

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Hi Sadiemay and everyone posting in the thread,

I am a newbie to the site. Came across the discussion looking for some good and permanent solution to open pores problem. I followed your entire thread from the beginning and I am glad you have finally achieved what you wanted after all your trial and errors.

I am of the same age as you, 32, and similar skin concern which is driving me mad. Since I cannot afford fraxel, I am considering peeling. I do not know whether that will work or not. Should I wait and save for fraxel or go ahead with peeling to at least slightly improve my skin condition? Any suggestions?

My derm has recommended dermaroller, though.
 

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Hi Peachmelba

Good you have seen improvement with OCM and retin A. As for me, OCM breaks me out and have already been using retin A from the last six months and my problem is only increasing. There's no improvement since then and its getting worse day by day. I am going to see a derm today evening itself. I am so depressed as these open pores make me look so old and ugly.
 

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I broke out once with the OCM., so I found a chart online that gave different oils grades based on if the oils clog pores or cause irritation. Everyone cant use every oil. I now use sesame oil with a little argan. I also add Polysorbate 80 to the oils to help the oil rinse clean.

Good luck at the Derm. Let us know how it goes. I am sure that the pores don't look as bad as you think they do. I forgot to add that I used peels from Makeupartist choice too. I alternated Lactic acid and malic acid.
 

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Hi Peachmelba

Good you have seen improvement with OCM and retin A. As for me, OCM breaks me out and have already been using retin A from the last six months and my problem is only increasing. There's no improvement since then and its getting worse day by day. I am going to see a derm today evening itself. I am so depressed as these open pores make me look so old and ugly.
 

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Hi Peachmalba,

Will try OCM with jojoba oil, may be that suits my skin and can you tell how exactly you do it?

You mentioned polysorbate 80, never heard of it, whats this?

Did you notice any improvement with peeling? As I am planning for a peel at my derm, though have yet to consult her in the evening.

My pores really look bad, although my friends and colleagues say they are not as bad as I feel. But I feel bad about them because my husband keeps telling me how bad they look every other day. He makes me feel even more bad and guilty by telling me that they are the result of my own doing with excessive use of different types creams and beauty products.

Could this really be so. Well I do not know and I am getting mad thinking about this so have given up to the derm! And seriously cant wait till evening. Also want to know whether I am the culprit or the victim!
 
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